In my FB group, someone mentioned the need to occasionally shock your system, and people are recommending carbs or sweets. I have never been told this, and I stick to my plan 100%. Has anyone heard of the need to do this for any reason? To break a stall? It seems like cheating on this regimen is setting yourself for failure if you became overweight due to lack of control or moderation. I would never eat a brownie or cookie this early on - we are all 2-3 months out (or ever, unless it was bariatric friendly). Advice?

Mousecat88 I completely agree with you. I have no intentions of even trying what I would consider a trigger food for me. I know it would only take a bite and then it would be on possibly and I don’t want that to happen. Surgery alone doesn’t do it and you have to eat the right foods (protein, etc) portion control, water and I also believe exercise to keep the weight off. I like the saying “You’ve come too far to only come this far” which I think can apply with WLS.

I personally give zero craps if other people wanna eat sweets or whatever, lol. I just wanted to know if there is any such thing as needing to eat something off-plan to benefit the body and if that would somehow boost metabolism?

I eat an occasional cookie. They taste good and I haven’t spiraled out of control or anything ??‍♀️

I KNOW I would.. so I personally don't want to risk it. I don't have that trust in myself. Plus, I seem to be very sensitive to many foods.

Well it is paczi season, Evil little rich Polish doughnuts with fruit filling, one of my bad little habits before. Got some for Tomkitten, cut off a walnut sized chunk, not a successful endeavor, thought I might sneak it by, it did look nicer than it was. Yeah I knew better, but I am 5 months past surgery, I get envious of all my pals. I feel so thwarted when I read of people shorter time afterwards that have a varied diet and I'm stuck still trying out shakes and soups. Emotionally I feel an outsider, but I have got to remember, you must be an odd number to finally make #1. Oh I can't give up until I find my finish line too!

11 hours ago, mousecat88 said:

But my entire question was about shocking the system. Not the rightness or wrongness of straying from what your team says is okay.

Lots of anecdotal information being passed around, but you would have to search hard to find science based info on why cheat days work.

Instead of eating something off plan, I have found occasionally increasing my calories will break a stall. My dietician recommends it as well.

On 1/25/2019 at 8:27 PM, mousecat88 said:

I think it's terrible because you got fat from eating those foods. Why would you still want them in your life? I certainly don't. I do not want to risk trying a bite, then trying another... then falling back into same patterns. It's a slippery slope for me. To each their own, though... it's our own journey.

Mousie - I see your point, but I didn't get fat on sweets or bad foods. I got fat for failing to control my portions af really good food and drinking too much wine! I'm probs not the only one in this boat!

Back when I used to diet, I always seemed to drop a smidge more weight when I shook things up a bit. These days though, it isn't just about losing, it IS about changing the lifestyle and the mindset and I do not want to deviate from this for a pound or 2!

On ‎1‎/‎25‎/‎2019 at 11:10 PM, GreenTealael said:

Best Advice I can think of: Follow your team's plan for best results instead of 467825357802356 strangers without medical degrees specializing in Bariatrics...

I agree 100%. I am not saying I will never have that piece of cake or cookie or brownie for that matter. But I also agree 100% that I have no plans to sabotage my surgery or plan. Every person looks at it differently. I do think that for those that have no control over moderation, should not attempt it at all as it can lead to two or three or every week. I was never a sweets person prior to surgery. I do not see myself being one after. My biggest issue before surgery was cleaning my plate as I was raised to do so even if I was full. That is what I still struggle with even though my plate portions are extremely smaller, but I am learning day by day.

We each have our own struggles, and we each have to deal with them pre and post surgery just the same.. the issue being we never dealt with them pre surgery hence why we needed the surgery...

In essence it's not that different to the principles behind 5:2 or IF or whatever. It's about mixing things up .

I heard about this , and if it doesn't feel good or fit your lifestyle, then don't. Everybody and every body is different so what works for one might not work for you. If you feel one cookie will make you turn the wrong way, then don't. It is perfectly fine to not do so. It is your journey, you are behind the steering wheel. Go for it and enjoy the view!

It is similar to what happened to me last week. A colleague of his told him I should "train my stomach" by drinking soda and eat and drink at the same time. She also said that doing physical training will prevent loose skin. Because that was what she did. It took quite a bit of talking from my side that no, I will not train my stomach, and no, exercise will not prevent loose skin. If that comes, I welcome it! It means I am successful! But I take my bariatric team serious and even though I do eat chocolate now and then, in general I follow their advice.

Rationalize the slide? Agree follow the doctors plan. Then embrace the slide off the plan - celebrate and own a piece of chocolate or whatever your thing is. Label it as not a scientifically backed shock but instead a 1 time exception which may happen to us himperfect humans. ?

On 1/25/2019 at 6:52 PM, mousecat88 said:

I am obscenely dedicated to this plan. I know 100% I will never deviate. I know people say it's not realistic. But I have gone through a lot of psychological issues with my weight and I am hyper-obsessive when it comes to diets and lifestyle changes.

But regardless, eating a brownie doesn't seem like a positive thing 3 months out in an effort to shock your system. I think if you're already slipping up, there is an issue. It's just SO soon. Why would you even put something like that in your mouth if you've just gone through this major surgery to lose weight? I don't get it.

I'm also in an FB group and the stuff people say sometimes boggles my mind. "I can eat a cupcake, but can't eat cookies. Cookies make me dump..." WTF are you doing even tempting fate like that after you had someone come in an rearrange your guts?! I get it, people have food addictions. It's just sad. I know once I have surgery I'll be like you...by the book and also deathly afraid to veer off plan. My surgeon office seems to be somewhat lax as well, but I just know how I can be if I let myself cheat. I eat one chip, then I'll want a bowl, then a heaping bowl, then the entire effing bag. What to do I do? Never effing buy chips! LOL

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On 1/25/2019 at 5:27 PM, mousecat88 said:

I think it's terrible because you got fat from eating those foods. Why would you still want them in your life? I certainly don't. I do not want to risk trying a bite, then trying another... then falling back into same patterns. It's a slippery slope for me. To each their own, though... it's our own journey.

Food is not a slippery slope for everyone. Some people are perfectly capable of going wildly off plan whether it be a bite, or a meal, or a day, or a week, and then put it behind them and get back on plan, with no real damage done.

You say "To each other own..." but yet make statements like "I think it's terrible because you got fat from eating those foods. Why would you still want them in your life?"

You can say you only wanted to discuss the merits of shocking our system, but when you add judgmental comments, people are going to respond to them.

There are many paths to success post WLS. Just because one wouldn't work for you, doesn't mean it's "setting yourself for failure" or that it's "terrible".

12 minutes ago, sillykitty said:

There are many paths to success post WLS. Just because one wouldn't work for you, doesn't mean it's "setting yourself for failure" or that it's "terrible".

I'm sorry but I stand by my statement that it is terrible for someone to go through all of this just to eat garbage again ("if that's what made them big to begin with"). Be it once or every day. And I feel no shame in being judgmental about that. We can agree to disagree. And, yes, to each their own. People can ruin their surgery if they want to. Or take unnecessary risks. If it doesn't affect them, awesome. But if it may, why the heck would you risk that. Baffles the mind.

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On 1/26/2019 at 5:43 AM, mousecat88 said:

Okay, yeah, I am def not straying from the proven path. I just didn't know if this shock your system concept was a thing or not since I had never heard of it being necessary.

Well, there is this practice called "Carb cycling". I know nothing about it in depth, but it seems kind of similar to what you're talking about.

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