In my FB group, someone mentioned the need to occasionally shock your system, and people are recommending carbs or sweets. I have never been told this, and I stick to my plan 100%. Has anyone heard of the need to do this for any reason? To break a stall? It seems like cheating on this regimen is setting yourself for failure if you became overweight due to lack of control or moderation. I would never eat a brownie or cookie this early on - we are all 2-3 months out (or ever, unless it was bariatric friendly). Advice?

1 hour ago, mousecat88 said:

In my FB group, someone mentioned the need to occasionally shock your system, and people are recommending carbs or sweets. I have never been told this, and I stick to my plan 100%. Has anyone heard of the need to do this for any reason? To break a stall? It seems like cheating on this regimen is setting yourself for failure if you became overweight due to lack of control or moderation. I would never eat a brownie or cookie this early on - we are all 2-3 months out (or ever, unless it was bariatric friendly). Advice?

I think it is very unrealistic to think that you will go forever without a normal cookie or brownie. There is food that is better for you, and food that is worse for you, and it's about balance between the two. But at some point you are going to craving and eat a "bad" food, and it will be all right. It won't be a failure, or lead to being overweight again, unless it becomes excessive. It's not a lack of control, it's being human. You know, even naturally skinny people eat cookies and brownies and chips, and so much more from time to time.

Now I don't believe in doing something to shock the system or break the stall. I believe stalls start and stop completely independently of what you do. I've stalled when I've eaten perfectly, and lost when I ate poorly, and vice versa.

I think it is very unrealistic to think that you will go forever without a normal cookie or brownie. There is food that is better for you, and food that is worse for you, and it's about balance between the two. But at some point you are going to craving and eat a "bad" food, and it will be all right. It won't be a failure, or lead to being overweight again, unless it becomes excessive. It's not a lack of control, it's being human. You know, even naturally skinny people eat Cookies and brownies and chips, and so much more from time to time.
Now I don't believe in doing something to shock the system or break the stall. I believe stalls start and stop completely independently of what you do. I've stalled when I've eaten perfectly, and lost when I ate poorly, and vice versa.

I am obscenely dedicated to this plan. I know 100% I will never deviate. I know people say it's not realistic. But I have gone through a lot of psychological issues with my weight and I am hyper-obsessive when it comes to diets and lifestyle changes.

But regardless, eating a brownie doesn't seem like a positive thing 3 months out in an effort to shock your system. I think if you're already slipping up, there is an issue. It's just SO soon. Why would you even put something like that in your mouth if you've just gone through this major surgery to lose weight? I don't get it.

6 minutes ago, mousecat88 said:

I am obscenely dedicated to this plan. I know 100% I will never deviate. I know people say it's not realistic. But I have gone through a lot of psychological issues with my weight and I am hyper-obsessive when it comes to diets and lifestyle changes.

But regardless, eating a brownie doesn't seem like a positive thing 3 months out in an effort to shock your system. I think if you're already slipping up, there is an issue. It's just SO soon. Why would you even put something like that in your mouth if you've just gone through this major surgery to lose weight? I don't get it.

Being hyper-obsessive isn't exactly a healthy mindset, and not something most people would want to be.

At 3 months out a few bites of brownie is so terrible, why? Does it really matter in the big picture? Will it make more than an ounce, if that, difference in their weight loss? The issue would be if it was large quantities and/or frequently.

I've sort of heard of that before, that you re-set your system by eating some "bad" food so that your body realizes that when you eat good food to lose weight and it's worked for me a time or two in the past, but now post-WLS I wouldn't consider it. I just had the Week 4 post-op stall and knew to just let it run its course and the scale would start moving again and it is. I'm going to stick as closely to the post-WLS diet program as humanly possible.

Being hyper-obsessive isn't exactly a healthy mindset, and not something most people would want to be.
At 3 months out a few bites of brownie is so terrible, why? Does it really matter in the big picture? Will it make more than an ounce, if that, difference in their weight loss? The issue would be if it was large quantities and/or frequently.

I think it's terrible because you got fat from eating those foods. Why would you still want them in your life? I certainly don't. I do not want to risk trying a bite, then trying another... then falling back into same patterns. It's a slippery slope for me. To each their own, though... it's our own journey.

although an occasional cookie is probably fine (I never did it the first year, but I do *occasionally* now that I'm in maintenance), this "shock your system" approach sounds insane. I personally wouldn't take too much advice I found in FB groups - there's a lot of really bad advice out there. I'd stick to forums like this one et al.

Edited January 26, 20197 yr by catwoman7

4 hours ago, mousecat88 said:

In my FB group, someone mentioned the need to occasionally shock your system, and people are recommending carbs or sweets. I have never been told this, and I stick to my plan 100%. Has anyone heard of the need to do this for any reason? To break a stall? It seems like cheating on this regimen is setting yourself for failure if you became overweight due to lack of control or moderation. I would never eat a brownie or cookie this early on - we are all 2-3 months out (or ever, unless it was bariatric friendly). Advice?

Best Advice I can think of: Follow your team's plan for best results instead of 467825357802356 strangers without medical degrees specializing in Bariatrics...

19 minutes ago, GreenTealael said:

Best Advice I can think of: Follow your team's plan for best results instead of 467825357802356 strangers without medical degrees specializing in Bariatrics...

oh yes - absolutely - follow your bariatric team's plan - that is first & foremost. I was referring more to outside support. I think the advice on a lot of the FB groups is really bad, and rarely gets corrected. At least on these more traditional forums, *usually* someone will correct bad advice. But yes - absolutely follow your team's plans and instructions. (p.s. by "you" I mean the OP - not you, GreenTealael!!)

Okay, yeah, I am def not straying from the proven path. I just didn't know if this shock your system concept was a thing or not since I had never heard of it being necessary.

1 hour ago, mousecat88 said:

Okay, yeah, I am def not straying from the proven path. I just didn't know if this shock your system concept was a thing or not since I had never heard of it being necessary.

I've been active on a couple of traditional internet forums for about five years and have never heard of this, so it's definitely not a thing. (thankfully!!)

NEWS FLASH.

Not everyone that is fat got that way from eating brownies, there are just as many that got fat from overindulging on steak and burgers and fried chicken etc as well

I eat an occasional cookie. They taste good and I haven’t spiraled out of control or anything ??‍♀️

On 1/25/2019 at 7:52 PM, mousecat88 said:

I am obscenely dedicated to this plan. I know 100% I will never deviate. I know people say it's not realistic. But I have gone through a lot of psychological issues with my weight and I am hyper-obsessive when it comes to diets and lifestyle changes.

But regardless, eating a brownie doesn't seem like a positive thing 3 months out in an effort to shock your system. I think if you're already slipping up, there is an issue. It's just SO soon. Why would you even put something like that in your mouth if you've just gone through this major surgery to lose weight? I don't get it.

At this point in my journey I was given the ok by My Team to eat Pizza and Pasta in Italy... MY TEAM! I said never, they said oh yes! I did.

They were familiar with me/my issues (or lack thereof) and could advise me on how to deviate and return.

My life was not just about surgery or food. That was just a part of it. They understood that when I couldn't.

Trust your team and their advice for you...

Edited January 27, 20197 yr by GreenTealael

NEWS FLASH.
Not everyone that is fat got that way from eating brownies, there are just as many that got fat from overindulging on steak and burgers and fried chicken etc as well

Of course. I don't have a sweet tooth at all. I overindulged in carbs. But if you're not going to try your complete and total all to stick to the plan, what even is the point.

But my entire question was about shocking the system. Not the rightness or wrongness of straying from what your team says is okay.