NO Carbonated beverages- FOREVER!

[NYCGAL000 59]

huh? I was asking if diet ginger ale was okay if I'm sick LOL

[Lexington1020 73]

35 minutes ago, jess9395 said:

This is a dangerous way of thinking. Knowing our bodies better than anyone got us all obese.

You trusted your doctor enough to let the doctor cut you open, trust your doctor enough to follow your doctors plan.

I was referring to her asking the question to us in general, not going against what her doctor ordered or advised her.

[PatientEleventyBillion 851]

4 hours ago, dsdesigna said:

Alcoholism is a serious problem for post WLS. It's a transfer addiction. Be very careful. It's not just about the calories, it's the damage you are doing to your liver. Most WLS patients already have extensive scar tissue from having a fatty liver pre surgery. It takes a long time for that to heal if ever.

4 hours ago, NYCGAL000 said:

I know this first hand. My sister had gastric bypass 10 years ago. She hardly drank before. She is a now a raging alcoholic who has been in and out of the hospital and rehabs about 50 times. She doesn't eat anymore, other than Gummy bears or nips candy and drinks about 2 cases of beer per day along with chain smoking. I have no idea how she is alive. I have tried to help her for years even having her live with me this past year but she was destroying my life with her drinking and violent outbursts so I had to let her go. She now lives with my other sister making her life a living hell. She lost her husband, her home, her kids, her jobs, everything. So she lost weight but she gained an alcoholic addiction. This is why I will rarely drink after my surgery. .Scares the hell out of me

Great posts. This is why it's extremely important for people with addictive personalities to be extremely wary of engaging in anything they find addictive post-op.. there's a higher risk of what @dsdesignamentioned is "transfer addiction".

We should be wary in general of what we consume due to WLS impacting the way our body processes food, physiologically and psychologically. However, extra baggage like this requires extra caution.. and if one even thinks they might not be able to moderate themselves, abstain entirely.

In my case, my liver damage was done comprehensively by a horrific American style diet rife with extremely carb dense food, carb/sugar dense liquids, and a sedentary lifestyle. While I did hit bottles pretty hard in the few time I did have a drink (would go through most of a 750mL bottle of Captain Morgan in the span of an entire day, mixing with sodas like Cherry Coke for example), never getting to the point of throwing up, but enough to have to watch how I walked, I didn't drink often whatsoever, maybe a small handful of times a year. It was a blessing because my mother and father were both alcoholics, so I had been warned that I was predisposed to alcoholism, but that never transferred to me. Nonetheless, with my phases of depression came food addiction, which, as far as the liver is concerned, just as bad as alcohol and drugs, just doesn't damage it as fast as those things can/will.

So to summarize, sodas and alcohol will hit us twice as hard post-WLS as it will before.. it's extremely imperative we monitor ourselves, and it's important to identify potential addictive behaviors or addiction transfers and nix them right away:

1) Keep food, especially snack foods, further away from where you veg out and harder to reach,

2) If you're the only one in the house that eats certain junk food, just don't get it at all, it's presence is especially bad for anyone susceptible to compulsive/addictive eating/drinking behaviors,

3) Talk yourself out of it.. there's no one that will save you from you.

4) Especially monitor booze if you're going to drink it.. and drink it slow, because the sleeve might allow it to pass through us that means it makes us drunk that much faster, and it also means it can overwhelm the liver that much faster.

Edited June 20, 2017 by PatientEleventyBillion

[jess9395 5,448]

huh? I was asking if diet ginger ale was okay if I'm sick LOL

And I responded you will have to try it and see some people can tolerate it, some (like me) can't, it's painful.

My response poster who said "you know your body best" was that that kind of thinking was dangerous because it was what we all went by before surgery and it left us obese. It wasn't aimed at you. It a dangerous way to think. You wanting to have ginger ale once in a blue moon when you're sick is unrelated to that way of thinking.

That said, there are lots of other remedies. Ginger candies (which can be sugar free) pickled ginger, crystallized ginger... all good alternatives if the carbonation doesn't agree with you OR winds up being a trigger for more cravings for sugar or whatever.

[jess9395 5,448]

huh? I was asking if diet ginger ale was okay if I'm sick LOL

OHHHHHHH maybe you were referring to the alcoholic who only eats Gummy bears and drinks beer post LOL

[jess9395 5,448]

I was referring to her asking the question to us in general, not going against what her doctor ordered or advised her.

I still think the "you know your body best" is a dangerous way to think.

[jess9395 5,448]

This thread took a left turn from the carbonation issue [emoji849]

[PatientEleventyBillion 851]

3 minutes ago, jess9395 said:

This thread took a left turn from the carbonation issue

My apologies.. I extend you an olive branch:

Pepsi releases its strongest, most carbonated soda ever

http://www.foxnews.com/food-drink/2016/05/23/pepsi-releases-its-strongest-most-carbonated-soda-ever.html

[MowryRocks 679]

On ‎06‎/‎19‎/‎2017 at 5:51 PM, Introversion said:

Sodas and other carbonated drinks will not stretch our sleeves or pouches. However, soda is not good for bariatric surgery patients due to a plethora of valid reasons:

https://provostbariatrics.com/can-you-really-stretch-your-pouch/

Thank God! I was looking for the voice of reason. I don't know why some surgeons keep perpetrating this myth. Scare tactic?

[telltell624 34]

No beer is killing me. Been without for almost 3 years now though lol.


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[Greensleevie 451]

7 hours ago, telltell624 said:

No beer is killing me. Been without for almost 3 years now though lol.


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As I said before, I tolerate carbonation well when it's seltzer or an occasional Coke Zero, but beer is a no go. Sits so heavy! Sad face.

[jennyqp 62]

I am 8 months out. I drink beer occasionally. I can't eat for a while after but I can drink 4 beers no problem.

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[The 147]

There's a number of issues that are bundled together here. Firstly the carbonation seems obvious, sleeved or bypassed we've done something radical to our digestive pathway and the addition of that carbonation is going to complicate our, now more delicate, digestive systems.

The 'diet drinks' issue is another. There is a growing body of research that suggests that aspartame, one of the main chemical sweeteners used in diet soda, could actually inhibit weight loss as it has a particular effect on gut enzymes. Other studies suggest that it continues to trigger the pleasure centres of the brain that are fired by sugar - thus ensuring we stay addicted to sugar. It, of course, wouldn't be the first time big business has sold us something that's both addictive and doesn't actually solve the problems it purports to.

I'm trying to look ahead to the changes I need to make to get the most out of my bypass. I don't like diet colas anyway so that's not an issue. It does strike me that getting off these 'diet' solutions - and if they were all so effective we wouldn't be on this WLS forum - can only be a good thing. I love naturally sparkling mineral Water, but given that I want this to work I think going still is a small sacrifice to make.

Then again, I will miss champagne though.

[NYCGAL000 59]

I dont know about this...I dont drink soda simply because I dont like it unless Im very sick and then just ginger-ale but my sister who had bypass surgery, manages to get down an 18 pack of beer every day with no issues (other then shes dying and killing herself) . She starting drinking beer right after surgery. Everyone is different. I just think if were doing this to be healthy, having soda probably isn't the wisest thing. I love to smoke especially with a glass of wine but had to quit cold turkey a month ago for this but its worth it. I'm going nuts not smoking and It will be worse when I can't eat but anything in life worth having isn't easy, if it was easy, everyone would do it.

[ShilohD 70]

Are you talking about regular soda, with sugar? Because I drink diet soda and I'm wondering if the "no soda post-surgery" is because of the carbonation or because of the sugar. I certainly wouldn't want to do anything bad for my liver but I really don't know what it is about soda that's bad for WLS patients.

Its the one carbonation. My dietician told me the reason they say no soda ever again is beca use the carbonation causes your stomach to expand, which makes you hungrier, which makes you eat more.

The whole reason for the surgery is to make the stomach smaller... why take the chance that the soda would make your stomach bigger? It defeats the whole purpose... in my book, it's just not worth the risk.

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