Hello guys. Keto has never caught my attention. I've been able to lose weight eating healthy carbs. Anytime I did do carb cycling, where I would have to eat low carb, I just felt terrible. Now please don't take this as "oh wow she's unmotivated to change her lifestyle". Doing Keto literally contradicts all the knowledge I've gained on macronutrients all my life. (I also talk about this in reference of way after the 6 weeks. Maybe 6 months from post-op)

On 6/6/2017 at 9:31 AM, slimmingsteff said:

Can you believe that they had me eating 170ish grams of protein!? Ngl my quads and calves looked phenomenal though. And YESS. All my life. I'm 5'9 and weigh 275. I've gained about 20 pounds (which is why I decided on the surgery) but when I was lifting I was 250ish. This is what I looked like at 250 ish.

That's a lot of protein! I don't think I'll ever need that. Lol. But your muscle mass even at 250 is awesome, and see.....you don't look the 250 either in the pic.

That's a lot of protein! I don't think I'll ever need that. Lol. But your muscle mass even at 250 is awesome, and see.....you don't look the 250 either in the pic.

Its the struggle. I think it took me awhile for
me realize, "hey, even if you don't LOOK 250,
you ARE 250, so you ARE susceptible to the health problems around it"

@slimmingsteff BINGO! You hit the nail on the head.

I said depending on their needs. I'm sure some people need more than the perimeters I laid out but I think the average person falls within the numbers I suggested. I keep my water intake to half my body weight in ounces and thankfully that number is less than 100.

My point was the use of the word 'ideal'. Everybody's needs are different. Some people can't thrive on taking half of they body weight in fluids. So...again...what you suggest is a suggestion. It is not 'ideal', nor do you know what the average person needs.

My point was the use of the word 'ideal'. Everybody's needs are different. Some people can't thrive on taking half of they body weight in fluids. So...again...what you suggest is a suggestion. It is not 'ideal', nor do you know what the average person needs.

My NUT would say it is far more than a suggestion, or even ideal. She would say it is required. But if you need to argue semantics, I'll leave you to it.

I'm too lazy to read all the responses so I apologize if this is repetitive. The need for or need to abstain from carbs is different from person to person. Nutritionists, especially bariatric clinic nuts, seem to just give everyone the same advice. Low carb, low fat, high protein. I do high intensity interval workouts 5x a week and need complex carbs and healthy fats like avocados like I need air. I make sure to eat carbs like whole grain pasta and bread only when I know I'm working out the next day. So, I just nod and tell my nutritionist sure sure, love the plan.

I advise going on the IIFYM website to calculate balanced macronutrients for your weight goals and lifestyle. I wish nutritionists would give that advice more often instead of general high this low that.

5 hours ago, KateBruin said:

I wish nutritionists would give that advice more often instead of general high this low that.

Good ones do that. The bad ones could be replaced by a little high-gloss booklet without missing any information. Could save a lot of money.

On 6/8/2017 at 10:24 PM, slimmingsteff said:

Its the struggle. I think it took me awhile for
me realize, "hey, even if you don't LOOK 250,
you ARE 250, so you ARE susceptible to the health problems around it"

Absolutely! I've always had a "thin girl" mentality, so when I saw the number "266" (that was my highest weight), I had to think the same, health problems.

I'm too lazy to read all the responses so I apologize if this is repetitive. The need for or need to abstain from carbs is different from person to person. Nutritionists, especially bariatric clinic nuts, seem to just give everyone the same advice. Low carb, low fat, high protein. I do high intensity interval workouts 5x a week and need complex carbs and healthy fats like avocados like I need air. I make sure to eat carbs like whole grain pasta and bread only when I know I'm working out the next day. So, I just nod and tell my nutritionist sure sure, love the plan.

I advise going on the IIFYM website to calculate balanced macronutrients for your weight goals and lifestyle. I wish nutritionists would give that advice more often instead of general high this low that.

This is what I have been hearing for YEARS! So it's what I feel most comfortable eating. Granted, I'm
pre-op but health is health. All these low fat or sugar free items are just loaded with junk chemicals. When I'm working out like crazy, and trust me I go HARD, I eat how you described. I'm all about wholesome and balanced. I'm glad to hear someone say that bc that way is the only way I feel comfortable eating FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE

My vote is to do what is good for you! What feels good to you and accomplishes what you are trying to accomplish. There are millions of opinions and plans. Some work for some, some work for others. However, I do believe in eating clean real food without all the artificial frankenfood stuff. We all know simple carbs are bad juju for your body. But I have a hard time believing the carbs, vitamins, and fiber in a raspberry is bad for me. I did not get fat eating raspberries or a healthy salad. High saturated fats and simple carbs in a fast food burger got me fat.

My surgeon just informed me that we need to be matching protein and carb intake. If you take 60g of protein then you take in 60 carbs

2 minutes ago, Brittanae said:

My surgeon just informed me that we need to be matching Protein and carb intake. If you take 60g of protein then you take in 60 carbs

So then 120g protein and 120g carbs? Doesn't make sense. Unless you're doing strenuous exercise daily and need the immediate availability of the energy carbs bring there's no need for that much carbs. For most people, who live sedentary and low active lifestyles, adequate protein and fat content will supply more than enough energy for their day to day lives.

So then 120g protein and 120g carbs? Doesn't make sense. Unless you're doing strenuous exercise daily and need the immediate availability of the energy carbs bring there's no need for that much carbs. For most people, who live sedentary and low active lifestyles, adequate protein and fat content will supply more than enough energy for their day to day lives.

120g of protein makes you gain weight if you're sedentary anyways. (of course depending on your height/weight, but I mean in general)

The even protein/carb split sounds like an early stage rule of thumb, which isn't unreasonable and seems like a decent approach to avoiding the problems of the overly low carb set, though it should probably be tailored some for individual needs such as diabetes/insulin resistance. Later on in maintenance stage it should be reviewed to be consistent with higher caloric needs - typically protein doesn't need to increase but fats and carbohydrates should go up according to individual circumstances and nutritional needs. Protein is only about 20% of my dietary needs, so carbohydrates usually wind up in the 40-50% range (though there is no specific target.)

I agree that it needs to be tailored individually. BUT just because a person works out doesn't mean he or she needs a lot of carbs. Some people do, but I trained for and ran two marathons (4-5 hours of intense yoga week as well) doing low carb. It is all quite inidividual.

BUT most of us didn't get fat on protein. Usually it was simple, refined carbs.