I know this was mentioned before here in the Vegans/Vegetarians forums and I wanted to maybe start this thread for all things pertaining to the book that Dr. Garth Davis authored, Proteinaholic. So far I'm on chapter 6 of it and I'm just amazed with how sound it is and all the studies that are out there to support why we don't need such a high amount of protein, and why it's a culprit of obesity, high blood pressure, diabetes, etc.... There's just so much to talk about if anyone wants to get into discussion. Now, this thread IS NOT going to be for debate. I do not want anyone coming on here advocating high protein and what they "know" and debating with any of us who are or evolving into plant based, vegans or vegetarians. I want to share the things I've learned from the book and if anyone wants to challenge those, READ THE BOOK FIRST, and then you can come and talk about it. If you don't or haven't read the book, feel free to read the things that will be posted...and do your own homework to find these facts/truths out for yourself. I literally don't have time to do a protein ping pong match...so don't start one. You will be ignored.

Okay, with that said and out of the way, the first thing I want to mention is that Dr. Davis actually dispels the myths about protein and why our bodies don't need so much. It is not an opinionated book, it's a science/fact book. It makes TOTAL sense. He is quite comical too. The parts where he plays out his doctor/patient dialogues hit me the most...because I can relate to how I was educated about protein being what we all need. I had the same mentalities as he did regarding it, but after I started watching documentaries on plant based diets for the past couple of years, I've slowly become open to all the health benefits of eating plant based. But now, even though I knew plant based is great for the health, I didn't know that the protein component was/is what was causing so many problems in my health, my husband's, etc. Now, I've got science and truth to understand the premise of protein. The history of why, what Dr Davis talks about, we western society pick apart whole foods and live based off of macronutrients. Now, it just boggles me why we do that. The other thing that rings true and is nice knowing, is that he is a bariatric surgeon too. He knows what he's coaching/telling his patients. He knows that he was not a nutritionist, didn't know a single thing, but the one hour of nutrition studies in his school days, but he took the time to dive into history, studies, reports, etc to bring light to why western society is so unhealthy, and most of it is based on animal protein.

Wow.

Read the book!

I have just transitioned to a vegan diet and I am almost 4 months post op gastric sleeve. I am always open for recipe ideas as I feel like everyday is trial and error. This thread has been great thank you

1 hour ago, Travelher said:

former or current obese people we have more bone density and more muscle (from carrying around extra weight) in general than the regular populatio

I think it also depends on how long they've carried it for. My mom for example, all her life. I know she's got to be stronger because of it. Me, ten years, totally irrelevant for me. But then you also have to factor whether that person did weights during obesity (which I did) or not too. There are so many angles, but for the most part, I agree.

34 minutes ago, nurse1 said:

I have just transitioned to a vegan diet and I am almost 4 months post op gastric sleeve. I am always open for recipe ideas as I feel like everyday is trial and error. This thread has been great

<img src="https://s.bariatricpal.com/uploads/emoticons/default_smile.png" alt=":)" srcset="https://s.bariatricpal.com/uploads/emoticons/smile@2x.png 2x" width="20" height="20"> thank you

You're welcome hon! I'm glad you've found it. As for recipes, there's a sub forum in Vegetarian and Vegan Eating that we're swapping recipes. Come join us there too! I'll tag you in. ?

@Berry78 thank you for posting that graph. It appears to show what I have always thought. As long as your weight falls in the normal BMI category you lower your risk for cardiovascular disease. I might decide my stretch goal will be 150 which would put me safely in the middle.

Do you have a link to the paper? You amaze me at how resourceful you are in finding information.

I finished listening to the Cheese Trap by Dr. Neal Barnard and I am now listening to the revised edition of The China Study. I think once I get through with this one I will have educated myself fairly completely on the best diets for health, longevity, and disease prevention.

My diet is still a work in progress, but most of the time I am 95% compliant to WFPB.

Here is a page that has several interesting graphs.

https://www.quora.com/How-do-I-start-learning-about-my-health

15 minutes ago, Berry78 said:

Here is a page that has several interesting graphs.

https://www.quora.com/How-do-I-start-learning-about-my-health

To the point!

"No smoking, don’t do drugs, don’t grow obese, exercise regularly"

I just finished watching Plant Pure Nation on Netflix. This is a much see documentary if you are on the fence about a WFPB diet. Just watch it ?

4 hours ago, Apple1 said:

I just finished watching Plant Pure Nation on Netflix. This is a much see documentary if you are on the fence about a WFPB diet. Just watch it ?

Ooh...another documentary!? I will watch it now. Thanks!

update: I watched this one already. Lol just didn’t remember the name. There’s another called Vegucated that I’ll check out, maybe I haven’t seen that one too. Haha!

update again: oh shoot, I’ve seen Vegucated too!

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1 hour ago, Newme17 said:

Ooh...another documentary!? I will watch it now. Thanks!

update: I watched this one already. Lol just didn’t remember the name. There’s another called Vegucated that I’ll check out, maybe I haven’t seen that one too. Haha!

update again: oh shoot, I’ve seen Vegucated too!

I saw that one also. What I loved about Plant Pure Nation is the actual showing of the improvement after only 10 days on those that participated in the studies. I also appreciated seeing just how much the government is motivated by the food industry and not what is best for our health. I knew this already but seeing it in action in real time really shows that we have to do our own research.

2 hours ago, Apple1 said:

I saw that one also. What I loved about Plant Pure Nation is the actual showing of the improvement after only 10 days on those that participated in the studies. I also appreciated seeing just how much the government is motivated by the food industry and not what is best for our health. I knew this already but seeing it in action in real time really shows that we have to do our own research.

Oh yes. I’ve heard and read countless stories of improved health from adopting a healthy Whole Foods plant based diet. Even to just as small as improved acne (which I’m sure is huge with some). Imagine how much health saved if the western world would adopt this way? The western diet has gone too far, and now it’s up to the select few doctors and scientists to go against the western media, corporations, and the government, to expose by science and testimonies that plant based is the only lifestyle diet that is long term sustainable for your health. Folks may say “oh, I can eat keto for the rest of my life.” I’m sure they can, but at what cost to their health long term?

Why I love Dr Greger’s website...you can be educated and make the decisions on your own based on facts:

“Here at NutritionFacts.org, we believe that a significant part of the problem is that individuals who want to make the correct dietary choices for themselves and their families are faced with a deluge of confusing and conflicting nutritional advice.

Our goal is to present you and your doctor with the results of the latest in peer-reviewed nutrition and health research, presented in a way that is easy to understand.”

Fun facts about chia seeds. ?

11g of fiber for a serving (about 2Tbsp) pretty awesome I use them in my overnight oats.

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/11-proven-health-benefits-of-chia-seeds#section2

Hey! I just tried a new yogurt that was full of chia seeds! Lol. The gift that keeps on giving (finding a few seeds stuck in my teeth...).

@FluffyChix

"I pray you never have a chance to eat honest to goodness, orgasmic sour dough bread (if we could--given our new anatomy). It's the nectar of the gods! Made only with ground grain, Water, salt (and only the yeast made through fermentation). Holy moly. I could shout about it and write sonnets and fill booksabout it's awesome power..."

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Ok, so I've been thinking about this, and I think it is the "sour" part of the dough and/or yeast that make bread good. We are tasting something other than just flour.

I picked up some kasha to try. Nice, roasted whole grain buckwheat. We'll see what happens...

I love this website:

http://whfoods.org

22 hours ago, Newme17 said:

Fun facts about chia seeds. ?

11g of Fiber for a serving (about 2Tbsp) pretty awesome I use them in my overnight oats.

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/11-proven-health-benefits-of-chia-seeds#section2

This is a great reminder. Getting in my goal of 27g of fiber a day can be tricky. I am always looking for new ways / recipes to get my fiber in from whole sources.