I know this was mentioned before here in the Vegans/Vegetarians forums and I wanted to maybe start this thread for all things pertaining to the book that Dr. Garth Davis authored, Proteinaholic. So far I'm on chapter 6 of it and I'm just amazed with how sound it is and all the studies that are out there to support why we don't need such a high amount of protein, and why it's a culprit of obesity, high blood pressure, diabetes, etc.... There's just so much to talk about if anyone wants to get into discussion. Now, this thread IS NOT going to be for debate. I do not want anyone coming on here advocating high protein and what they "know" and debating with any of us who are or evolving into plant based, vegans or vegetarians. I want to share the things I've learned from the book and if anyone wants to challenge those, READ THE BOOK FIRST, and then you can come and talk about it. If you don't or haven't read the book, feel free to read the things that will be posted...and do your own homework to find these facts/truths out for yourself. I literally don't have time to do a protein ping pong match...so don't start one. You will be ignored.

Okay, with that said and out of the way, the first thing I want to mention is that Dr. Davis actually dispels the myths about protein and why our bodies don't need so much. It is not an opinionated book, it's a science/fact book. It makes TOTAL sense. He is quite comical too. The parts where he plays out his doctor/patient dialogues hit me the most...because I can relate to how I was educated about protein being what we all need. I had the same mentalities as he did regarding it, but after I started watching documentaries on plant based diets for the past couple of years, I've slowly become open to all the health benefits of eating plant based. But now, even though I knew plant based is great for the health, I didn't know that the protein component was/is what was causing so many problems in my health, my husband's, etc. Now, I've got science and truth to understand the premise of protein. The history of why, what Dr Davis talks about, we western society pick apart whole foods and live based off of macronutrients. Now, it just boggles me why we do that. The other thing that rings true and is nice knowing, is that he is a bariatric surgeon too. He knows what he's coaching/telling his patients. He knows that he was not a nutritionist, didn't know a single thing, but the one hour of nutrition studies in his school days, but he took the time to dive into history, studies, reports, etc to bring light to why western society is so unhealthy, and most of it is based on animal protein.

Wow.

Read the book!

27 minutes ago, Cherbear416 said:

This is a great reminder. Getting in my goal of 27g of Fiber a day can be tricky. I am always looking for new ways / recipes to get my fiber in from whole sources.

Awesome! Throw in some chia seeds!

1 hour ago, Newme17 said:

Awesome! Throw in some chia seeds!

And while you’re at it add a few spoonfuls of ground flax seed to your morning protein shake or smoothie. They are a superfood and a great addition.

Thank you @Apple1 for mentioning ground flax seeds. Read on how this powerful food can help keep you Healthy!

https://nutritionfacts.org/topics/flax-seeds/

Really cool video/guy.

Yummy papaya ?

7 hours ago, Berry78 said:

Really cool video/guy.

That was awesome to watch! Someone doesn’t need to take any b12 supplements!!! I love the garden....wish I could be his neighbor. Haha! @Apple1 you’ll have to move next to us as well. ?

13 hours ago, Newme17 said:

That was awesome to watch! Someone doesn’t need to take any B12 supplements!!! I love the garden....wish I could be his neighbor. Haha! @Apple1 you’ll have to move next to us as well. ?

OMG... that man can eat. I loved the video. It really shows the variety of delicious foods that can be enjoyed on a vegan/WFPB diet!!!

Save me a place for the move..lol

Garlic!!!!????? Amazing info!!!!!!!

Eating the equivalent of 1 lb of strawberries a day for 6 months was found to reverse esophageal cancer in 80% of those studied. Considering that esophageal cancer has only a 13% survival rate, we may want to start thinking of actual food as an alternative. What about liver cancer? With “high peach concentrations, cancer cell proliferation drops about 10%, but bananas and grapefruits work about 4 times better, dropping cancer growth rates by about 40%. Red grapes, strawberries and apples do even better, cutting cancer cell growth up to half at only half the dose, but these two fruits are the winners, causing a dramatic drop in cancer proliferation at just tiny doses, lemons and cranberries.” What about vegetables? Dr. Greger found that there is “one vegetable that completely 100% stopped cancer growth in seven out of the eight tumor lines. One of the most important findings of the year.” So which one is it? Garlic. Let me state that again, clinical research showed garlic 100% stopped cancer growth in seven out of the eight tumor lines. Shouldn’t your doctor be mentioning this? All the fruits and vegetables studied discriminately went after cancer cells leaving healthy cells to do their work. Maybe- just maybe, if we start eating better we won’t be getting cancer in the first place

On 10/7/2017 at 9:41 AM, Apple1 said:

OMG... that man can eat

Thank you for noticing this. (Kinda the reason I posted the video). He eats, oh.. I don't know.. 20 times the amount that we bariatric folk can. Of course he can meet his nutritional needs! (Should still take a B-12 supplement though).

1 hour ago, Newme17 said:

Garlic!!!!????? Amazing info!!!!!!!

Eating the equivalent of 1 lb of strawberries a day for 6 months was found to reverse esophageal cancer in 80% of those studied. Considering that esophageal cancer has only a 13% survival rate, we may want to start thinking of actual food as an alternative. What about liver cancer? With “high peach concentrations, cancer cell proliferation drops about 10%, but bananas and grapefruits work about 4 times better, dropping cancer growth rates by about 40%. Red grapes, strawberries and apples do even better, cutting cancer cell growth up to half at only half the dose, but these two fruits are the winners, causing a dramatic drop in cancer proliferation at just tiny doses, lemons and cranberries.” What about vegetables? Dr. Greger found that there is “one vegetable that completely 100% stopped cancer growth in seven out of the eight tumor lines. One of the most important findings of the year.” So which one is it? Garlic. Let me state that again, clinical research showed garlic 100% stopped cancer growth in seven out of the eight tumor lines. Shouldn’t your doctor be mentioning this? All the fruits and vegetables studied discriminately went after cancer cells leaving healthy cells to do their work. Maybe- just maybe, if we start eating better we won’t be getting cancer in the first place

Ok, cool info. I just for grins ran this through MFP:

1lb strawberries (USDA): 145cals; 3g protein; 1g fat; 35g carbs; 9g fiber; 22g sugars

Not bad and totally doable to split it up so that you don't exceed 4g/sugar per serving. Do you know @Newme17 what they spoke about for other serving sizes for the other fruits and veggies?

6 hours ago, FluffyChix said:

Ok, cool info. I just for grins ran this through MFP:

1lb strawberries (USDA): 145cals; 3g protein; 1g fat; 35g carbs; 9g fiber; 22g sugars

Not bad and totally doable to split it up so that you don't exceed 4g/sugar per serving. Do you know @Newme17 what they spoke about for other serving sizes for the other fruits and veggies?

Unfortunately no, I just took a little excerpt from an article. But I’m sure I can find something on nutritionfacts.org perhaps. I’m still amazed on the garlic info. ?

Yeah the garlic is very high on the ORAC (Oxygen Radical Absorbance Capacity) scale and onions are right behind it, but the serving sizes are much smaller. We use garlic in everything lol. Broccoli sprouts/leaves are also obscenely high! Here is the ORAC scale. It starts on page 10.

It's so weird but looking at this list, about 90% of the fruits veggies we eat have an ORAC number of about 35-36! LOL! *patting self on back*

Also, yesterday you would be so proud of me. I had 1 1/2lbs of veggies lol (probably at least 80% from dark leafy sources)

3 hours ago, FluffyChix said:

Yeah the garlic is very high on the ORAC (Oxygen Radical Absorbance Capacity) scale and onions are right behind it, but the serving sizes are much smaller. We use garlic in everything lol. Broccoli sprouts/leaves are also obscenely high! Here is the ORAC scale. It starts on page 10.

It's so weird but looking at this list, about 90% of the fruits veggies we eat have an ORAC number of about 35-36! LOL! *patting self on back*

Also, yesterday you would be so proud of me. I had 1 1/2lbs of veggies lol (probably at least 80% from dark leafy sources)

Thanks for sharing this. I’m going to have to educate myself on ORAC Numbers now. ?

I am proud of you!!! The more veggies the better IMO. Great job!!!

That ORAC scale is interesting. So hard to compare things though, since everything is measured based on a 3.5oz "serving". Works for potatoes, but not garlic! Lol. There is probably one running around that has converted the quantities to normal using amounts. I don't know, if you cook whole garlic cloves, they might be mild enough to eat 3.5 oz...

I made a Veggie Butternut Squash Chili recipe this week tweeking 2 different recipes. (One was the sweet potato recipe on here). It turned out SO tasty & I've given some to loved ones and had it several times myself (sticking to my 1 cup limit - sometimes I just have half a cup).

So I used the following ingredients:

Cubed butternut squash (found in produce section)

1 can of low sodium black beans drained/rinsed

1 can of Bushes Chili Beans medium

1 can of Pinto beans drained/rinsed and blended in Ninja blender

1 can of Mild Rotel

1 can of Hunts diced basil, garlic & oregano tomatoes

Diced garlic (2 heaping Tbsp.)

1 Tbsp chili powder

1 1/2 tsp. Cumin

1 1/2 tsp. Paprika

1 tsp. Oregano

4 cups vegetable broth

First sauteed a mixture of: diced onion, celery, carrots found in produce section. Then added the rest of the ingredients brought to a boil, turned down heat to simmer for 30 minutes, stirring occasionally. The next day I added in a cooked sweet potato diced to the leftovers. Delicious!