I know this was mentioned before here in the Vegans/Vegetarians forums and I wanted to maybe start this thread for all things pertaining to the book that Dr. Garth Davis authored, Proteinaholic. So far I'm on chapter 6 of it and I'm just amazed with how sound it is and all the studies that are out there to support why we don't need such a high amount of protein, and why it's a culprit of obesity, high blood pressure, diabetes, etc.... There's just so much to talk about if anyone wants to get into discussion. Now, this thread IS NOT going to be for debate. I do not want anyone coming on here advocating high protein and what they "know" and debating with any of us who are or evolving into plant based, vegans or vegetarians. I want to share the things I've learned from the book and if anyone wants to challenge those, READ THE BOOK FIRST, and then you can come and talk about it. If you don't or haven't read the book, feel free to read the things that will be posted...and do your own homework to find these facts/truths out for yourself. I literally don't have time to do a protein ping pong match...so don't start one. You will be ignored.

Okay, with that said and out of the way, the first thing I want to mention is that Dr. Davis actually dispels the myths about protein and why our bodies don't need so much. It is not an opinionated book, it's a science/fact book. It makes TOTAL sense. He is quite comical too. The parts where he plays out his doctor/patient dialogues hit me the most...because I can relate to how I was educated about protein being what we all need. I had the same mentalities as he did regarding it, but after I started watching documentaries on plant based diets for the past couple of years, I've slowly become open to all the health benefits of eating plant based. But now, even though I knew plant based is great for the health, I didn't know that the protein component was/is what was causing so many problems in my health, my husband's, etc. Now, I've got science and truth to understand the premise of protein. The history of why, what Dr Davis talks about, we western society pick apart whole foods and live based off of macronutrients. Now, it just boggles me why we do that. The other thing that rings true and is nice knowing, is that he is a bariatric surgeon too. He knows what he's coaching/telling his patients. He knows that he was not a nutritionist, didn't know a single thing, but the one hour of nutrition studies in his school days, but he took the time to dive into history, studies, reports, etc to bring light to why western society is so unhealthy, and most of it is based on animal protein.

Wow.

Read the book!

1 minute ago, Newme17 said:

So I watched the movie OKJA on Netflix. Of course I cried over a fictitious character, but the story was pretty moving. Not only did it move me but it just confirmed my lifestyle. I changed to WFPB for the health benefits, but I am not unaware of the cruelty and processes of how animals are treated for human consumption. The movie just reminded me of such things and I'm WAY MORE AWARE when I'm at the grocery store, driving by meat markets, etc. it's just a sad process.

So happy to hear this, it's just an important thing that we can do as humans to reduce suffering. I would encourage you to check out Earthlings--the best documentary on the subject. (FYI, very graphic in parts)

@Newme17 and @fruitandveggies I was going to bring up this very subject. I have been reading The Omnivore's Dilemma, and it describes in detail the food production and it touches on both the environmental and cruelty aspects. I am a big animal lover. My chickens live like queens and have the run of my backyard everyday. I get so sad when I see the trucks with the chickens stuffed in the cages and I think about the miserable lives they all had.

I am going to watch both of those documentaries.

I just had my 1 month postop with dietician and surgeon. I was cleared to eat anything (??) and given an eating plan with a daily goal of 80-90 grams of protein. I am not a scientist, doctor, or dietician, but I just know this can't be right.

How is it that we have all these amazing and miraculous feats of science and technology, but the medical and scientific community cannot agree on what we should be eating?

8 minutes ago, smooshycheeks said:

How is it that we have all these amazing and miraculous feats of science and technology, but the medical and scientific community cannot agree on what we should be eating?

It's sad that they don't "all sing from the same page", so to speak.

This must make a lot of food addicted sleevers reticent to move forward.

I'm planning to stay away from my trigger foods or at least pre-plan their occasional appearance in my food diary.

2 hours ago, smooshycheeks said:

I just had my 1 month postop with dietician and surgeon. I was cleared to eat anything (??) and given an eating plan with a daily goal of 80-90 grams of Protein. I am not a scientist, doctor, or dietician, but I just know this can't be right.

How is it that we have all these amazing and miraculous feats of science and technology, but the medical and scientific community cannot agree on what we should be eating?

I don't follow the high protein amount anymore. I let it take care of itself with my WFPB way of eating. My labs came out just fine too.

I'm am beside myself how the medical and scientific communities can't see on the same page with all that there is out there. Especially when there is proof! Just boggles me.

27 minutes ago, Newme17 said:

I don't follow the high Protein amount anymore. I let it take care of itself with my WFPB way of eating. My labs came out just fine too.

Labs can take a long time before become pathologic. They're not necessarily a good indicator.

However, I'm totally with you that this "lean animal protein, protein and more protein" doesn't sound like the ideal diet. The typical WLS diet seems to neglect important phytonutrients and fiber. With all this protein patients are eating it's no wonder to find several threads about "not being regular".

28 minutes ago, summerset said:

Labs can take a long time before become pathologic. They're not necessarily a good indicator.

However, I'm totally with you that this "lean animal Protein, protein and more protein" doesn't sound like the ideal diet. The typical WLS diet seems to neglect important phytonutrients and Fiber. With all this protein patients are eating it's no wonder to find several threads about "not being regular".

True enough, it was my first lab, we shall see how it goes in the future.

Being irregular is an indicator that something is wrong, but most are just looking to take care of the symptoms of it and not the source.

I bought some Morningstar spicy veggie sausage patties....so good!

I don't follow the high protein amount anymore. I let it take care of itself with my WFPB way of eating. My labs came out just fine too.
I'm am beside myself how the medical and scientific communities can't see on the same page with all that there is out there. Especially when there is proof! Just boggles me.

I'm going to do a 2 wk experiment. WFPB for 2 weeks and compare how I feel and my weight loss. I really think the high dairy protein is adding to my nausea.

Full disclosure, there will be eggs and cheese a few times each week because I like them and they make me happy.

2 hours ago, smooshycheeks said:

Full disclosure, there will be eggs and cheese a few times each week because I like them and they make me happy.

? this is cute! Hey, although not as much, i do have an egg and some cheese here and there myself.

Keep us posted on your experiment! I've only heard great things about WFPB with others I know how much better they feel, etc. Blessings on your WFPB journey hon!

[emoji23] this is cute! Hey, although not as much, i do have an egg and some cheese here and there myself.
Keep us posted on your experiment! I've only heard great things about WFPB with others I know how much better they feel, etc. Blessings on your WFPB journey hon!

Not necessarily eggs and cheese together! Although they are yummy together. Cheese on refried beans is life altering!

33 minutes ago, smooshycheeks said:

Cheese on refried Beans is life altering!

It's the best! I LOVE refried beans and cheese!!!! YUM

I came home from work once again. Body aches, head being "squeezed", ugh. There is a virus going around down here that mimics severe allergies/flu. I think I've got it. But since I had the time, I went to the salon and finally got a hair trim that has been needed for quite a long time. Now I'm home about to take a nap, but I'm still marching on with making sure I get a nice meal on today. I'll prep the veggies and have my husband finish it when he gets home. Today will be a kale salad with tortellini (again!!!...I loved it) and a roasted sweet potato and poblano salad as well. Why two salads? well, my poblano peppers are going to go bad if I don't hurry up and use them. Here are my recipes is anyone is interested.

https://www.budgetbytes.com/2010/01/roasted-poblano-and-sweet-potato-salad/

https://www.budgetbytes.com/2014/01/kale-tortellini-cranberry-salad/

Also, do ya'll think we should utilize a vegan/vegetarian thread for recipes only? Or here is okay? Is there one? I haven't checked.

UPDATE: I created a HEALTHY Vegan/Vegetarian Recipe Swap and Pics thread....come join in!

Edited September 18, 20178 yr by Newme17

That sweet potato salad is definitely on my list. I may do it this week.

My dh loves all of the ingredients!

1 hour ago, Newme17 said:

https://www.budgetbytes.com/2010/01/roasted-poblano-and-sweet-potato-salad/

https://www.budgetbytes.com/2014/01/kale-tortellini-cranberry-salad/

Also, do ya'll think we should utilize a vegan/vegetarian thread for recipes only? Or here is okay? Is there one? I haven't checked.

These look delicious!