What would happen if Barack Obama were Assasinated?

[BethFromVA 5]

The Libertarians NEED to take over the conservative party and this country! C'mon Watcher, I'll make room for you in my party.

That actually sounds like a great idea. Today's "republicans" are last decade's liberals. And last decade's liberals have become off-the-charts whacko socialist class enviasts.

[TheWatcher 1]

The Libertarians NEED to take over the conservative party and this country! C'mon Watcher, I'll make room for you in my party.

hell to the naw.... i saw the libertarian party convention .... those people are crazy

[TheWatcher 1]

That actually sounds like a great idea. Today's "republicans" are last decade's liberals. And last decade's liberals have become off-the-charts whacko socialist class enviasts.

now thats not true or nice

[gadgetlady 4]

The Libertarians NEED to take over the conservative party and this country!

That actually sounds like a great idea. Today's "republicans" are last decade's liberals. And last decade's liberals have become off-the-charts whacko socialist class enviasts.

Well said and WOO HOO! I agree wholeheartedly!

[BethFromVA 5]

now thats not true or nice

I know it's not nice, but sometimes fact is not pretty.

[BJean 16]

Ok you Liberalists who are calling me names for spelling things out in detail about what a dishonest race McCain is running. Go line by line and spell out what I'm wrong about. Don't use the political ploy of going off subject and ranting about what you don't like about the Democrats - tell me exactly what is right about the Republican allegations against Senator Obama as a person.And then go one step further and explain why his policies are bad - but don't just use the republican tactic of accusations and innuendo - give us the real facts.

Put your money where your right wing mouth is.

[smsmithart 4]

Man u guys are so heated over here I'm going back to chat its nicer in there..

[BethFromVA 5]

Ok you Liberalists who are calling me names for spelling things out in detail about what a dishonest race McCain is running. Go line by line and spell out what I'm wrong about. Don't use the political ploy of going off subject and ranting about what you don't like about the Democrats - tell me exactly what is right about the Republican allegations against Senator Obama as a person.And then go one step further and explain why his policies are bad - but don't just use the republican tactic of accusations and innuendo - give us the real facts.

Put your money where your right wing mouth is.

I posted it in the debate area, but I can move it over here for you if you wish. It's a long (but accurate) read. I only wish I wrote it.

http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/racetoth ... ments.aspx

Posted By: DBLAIRXP7 (October 29, 2008 at 1:40 PM)

To Barack Hussein Obama,

The New York Times carried a story on Saturday, October 4, 2008, that proved You had a significantly closer relationship with Bill Ayers than what you Previously admitted. While the issue of your relationship is of concern, the Greater concern is that you lied to America about it.

The Chicago Sun reported on May 8, 2008, that FBI records showed that you had a significantly closer relationship with Tony Rezko than what you previously

admitted. In the interview, you said that you only saw Mr. Rezko a couple of times a year. The FBI files showed that you saw him weekly. While the issue of

your relationship is of concern, the greater concern is that you lied to America about it.

Your speech in Philadelphia on March 18, 2008, about 'race' contradicted your statement to Anderson Cooper on March 14 when you said that you never Heard Reverend Wright make his negative statements about white America. While your attendance at Trinity Church for 20 years is of concern, the Greater concern is that you lied to America on March 14.

In your 1st debate with John McCain, you said that you never said that you would meet with the leaders of Cuba, Venezuela, Iran, and North Korea without 'preparations' at lower levels ... Joe Biden repeated your words in his debate with Sarah Palin ... While the video tape from your debate last February clearly shows that you answered 'I would' to the question of meeting with those leaders within 12 months without 'any' preconditions. While your judgement about meeting with enemies of the USA without Pre-conditions is of concern, the greater concern is that you lied to America in the debate with McCain.

On July 14, 2008, you said that you always knew that the surge would work while the video tapes of you from more than a year ago show that you stated that the surge would not work. While your judgement about military strategy as a potential commander-in-chief is of concern, the greater concern is that you lied to America on July 14.

You now claim that your reason for voting against funding for the troops was because the bill did not include a time line for withdrawal, while the video tapes of you from more than a year ago show that you voted against additional funding because you wanted our troops to be removed immediately... Not in 16 months after the 2008 election as you now claim. While your judgement about removing our troops unilaterally in 2007 is of concern, the Greater concern is that you lied to America about your previous position.

You claim to have a record of working with Republicans while the record Shows that the only bill that you sponsored with a Republican was with Chuck Lugar ... And it failed. The record shows that you vote 97% in concert with the Democrat party and that you have the most liberal voting record in the Senate. You joined Republicans only 13% of the time in your votes and those 13% were only after agreement from the Democrat party. While it is of concern that you fail to include conservatives in your actions and that you are such a liberal, the greater concern is that you distorted the truth.

In the primary debates of last February, 2008, you claimed to have talked with a 'Captain' of a platoon in Afghanistan 'the other day' when in fact you had a discussion in 2003 with a Lieutenant who had just been deployed to Afghanista n . You lied in that debate.

In your debates last spring, you claimed to have been a 'professor of Constitutional law' when in fact you have never been a professor of Constitutional law. In this last debate, you were careful to say that you 'taught a law class' and never mentioned being a 'professor of Constitutional law.' You lied last spring.

You and Joe Biden both claimed that John McCain voted against additional funding for our troops when the actual records show the opposite. You distorted the truth.

You and Joe Biden claim that John McCain voted against funding for alternate energy sources 20 times when the record shows that John McCain specifically voted against funding for bio fuels, especially corn ... and he was right .... corn is too expensive at producing ethanol, and using corn to make ethanol increased the price of corn from $2 a bushel to $6 a bushel for food. You distorted the truth.

You and Joe Biden claim that John McCain voted like both of you for a tax increase on those making as little as $42,000 per year while the voting record clearly shows that John McCain did not vote as you and Joe Biden. You lied to America .

You and Joe Biden claim that John McCain voted with George W. Bush 90% of the time when you know that Democrats also vote 90% of the time with the President (including Joe Biden) because the vast majority of the votes are procedural. You are one of the few who has not voted 90% of the time with the president because you have been missing from the Senate since the day you got elected. While your absence from your job in the Senate is of concern, the greater concern is that you spin the facts.

You did not take an active role in the rescue plan. You claimed that the Senate did not need you while the real reason that you abstained was because of your close relationships with the executives of Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Countrywide, and Acorn ... who all helped cause the f inancial problems of today ... and they all made major contributions to your campaign. While your relationship with these executives and your protection of them for your brief 3 years in the Senate (along with Barney Frank, Chuck Schumer, Maxine Waters, and Chris Dodd) is of concern, the greater concern is that you are being deceitful.

You forgot to mention that you personally represented Tony Rezko and Acorn. Tony Rezko, an Arab and close friend to you, was convicted of fraud in Chicago real estate transactions that bilked millions of tax dollars from the Illinois government for renovation projects that you sponsored as a state senator ... and Acorn has been convicted of voter fraud, real estate sub prime loan intimidation, and illegal campaign contributions. Tony Rezko has contributed hundreds of thousands of dollars to your political campaigns. You personally used your political positions to steer money to both Tony Rezko and Acorn and you used Acorn to register thousands of phony voters for Democrats and you. While your relationships with Rezko and Acorn are of concern, the greater concern is that you omitted important facts about your relationships with them to America .

During your campaign, you said: 'typical white person.' 'They cling to their guns and religion.' 'They will say that I am black.' You played the race Card. You tried to label any criticism about you as racist. You divide America .

You claim that you will reduce taxes for 95% of America , but you forgot to tell America that those reductions are after you remove the Bush tax Reductions. You have requested close to $1 billion in earmarks and several million for Acorn. Your social programs will cost America $1 trillion per year and you claim that a reduction in military spending ($100 billion for Iraq ) can pay for it. While your economic plan of adding 30% to the size of our federal government is of concern, the greater concern is that you are deceiving America .

The drain to America 's economy by foreign supplied oil is $700 billion per year (5% of GDP) while the war in Iraq is $100 billion (less than 1% of GDP). You voted against any increases to oil exploration for the last 3 years and any expansion of nuclear facilities. Yet today, you say that you have always been for more oil and more nuclear. You are lying to America .

Mr. Obama, you claimed that you 'changed' your mind about public financing for your campaign because of the money spent by Republican PACs in 2004. The truth is that the Democrat PACs in 2004, 2006, and 2008 spent twice as much as the Republican PACs (especially George Soros and MoveOn.org). You are lying to America .

Mr. Obama, you have done nothing to stop the actions of the teachers union and college professors in the USA . They eliminated religion from our history. They teach pro gay agendas and discuss sex with students as young as first grade. They bring their personal politics into the classrooms. They disparage conservatives. They brainwash our children. They are in it for themselves ..... not America . Are you reluctant to condemn their actions because teachers/professors and the NEA contribute 25% of all money donated to Democrats and none to Republicans? You are deceiving America .

Oh, Mr. Obama, Teddy Roosevelt said about a hundred years ago that we Americans should first look at the character of our leaders before anything else.

Your character looks horrible. While you make good speeches, motivating speeches, your character does not match your rhetoric. You talk the talk, but do not walk the walk.

1. You lied to America . You lied many times. You distorted facts. You parsed your answers like a lawyer.

2. You distorted the record of John McCain in your words and in your advertisements.

3. You had associations with some very bad people for your personal political gains and then lied about those associations.

4. You divide America about race and about class.

Now let me compare your record of lies, distortions, race baiting, and associations to John McCain: War hero. Annapolis graduate with 'Country first.' Operational leadership experience like all 43 previously elected presidents of the USA as a Navy officer for 22 years. 26 years in the Senate. Straight talk. Maverick. 54% of the time participated on bills with Democrats. Never asked for an earmark. The only blemish on his record is his part in the Keating 5 debacle about 25 years ago.

Mr. Obama, at Harvard Law School, you learned that the end does not justify the means. You learned that perjury, false witness, dishonesty, distortion of truth are never tolerated. Yet, your dishonesty is overwhelming. Your dishonesty is tremendously greater than the dishonesty that caused the impeachment and disbarment of Bill Clinton. Your dishonesty is tremendously greater than the dishonesty of Scooter Libby. You should be ashamed.

Mr. Obama, it is time for us Americans to put aside our differences on political issues and vote against you because of your dishonest character. It is time for all of us Americans to put aside our political issues and vote for America first. It is time for America to vote for honesty.

Any people who vote for you after understanding that you are dishonest should be ashamed of themselves for making their personal political issues more important than character. Would these same people vote for the anti-Christ if the anti-Christ promised them riches? Would they make a golden calf while Moses was up the mountain? Would they hire someone for a job if that someone lied in an interview? Of course not. So why do some of these people justify their votes for you even though they know you are dishonest? Why do they excuse your dishonesty? Because some of these people are frightened about the future, the economy, and their financial security .... and you are preying on their fears with empty promises ... and because some (especially our young people) are consumed by your wonderful style and promises for 'change' like the Germans who voted for Adolf Hitler in 1932. The greed/envy by Germans in 1932 kept them from recognizing Hitler for who he was. They loved his style. Greed and envy are keeping many Americans from recognizing you ... your style has camouflaged your dishonesty .... but many of us see you for who you really are ... and we will not stop exposing who you are every day, forever if it is necessary.

Mr. Obama, you are dishonest. Anyone who votes for you is enabling dishonesty.

Mr. Obama , America cannot trust that you will put America first in your decisions about the future.

Mr. Obama, you are not the 'change' that America deserves. We cannot trust you.

Mr. Obama, You are not ready and not fit to be commander-in-chief.

Mr. Obama, John McCain does not have as much money as your campaign to refute all of your false statements. And for whatever reasons, the mainstream media will not give adequate coverage or research about your lies, distortions, word parsing, bad associations, race baiting, lack of operational leadership experience, and generally dishonest character. The media is diverting our attention from your relationships and ignoring the fact that you lied about those relationships. The fact that you lied is much more important than the relationships themselves .... just like with Bill Clinton and Richard Nixon ... Monica Lewinski and Watergate were not nearly as bad as the fact that those men lied about the events ... false witness ... perjury ... your relationships and bad judgements are bad on their own .... but your lies are even worse.

Therefore, by copy of this memo, all who read this memo are asked to send it to everyone else in America before it is too late. We need to do the job that the media will not do. We need to expose your dishonesty so that every person in America understands who you really are before election day.

Mr. Obama, in a democracy, we get what we deserve. And God help America if we deserve you.

[BJean 16]

I wish you would have taken the time to dissect those writings and researched what was written - and understood them as the exaggeration and misstatements and innuendo that it is full of.

We can both go to places and post links where people write all kinds of B.S. about both candidates - it does not make them accurate or worthwhile pieces of reporting.

Senator Obama has not lied about his relationship with Ayers or Rezko. He has told about his work and friendships and knowledge of these men.

Last night John McCain, in an interview with Larry King, ranted and raved about the Rezko connection. Insinuating over and over that Rezko is a member of the PLO. And insinuating in the loudest, most indignant terms that Obama has a connection to the PLO. Or he said, I don't know, maybe he doesn't... but we need to know!

Larry King later reported that not only is Rezko not a member of the PLO, he and Senator Obama have clashed openly over Rezko's discussion of certain Palestinian complaints. Larry King went on to say that after the careful research that they have done, there has been no additional contact or political relationship between the two men.

That's again, just what this campaign is all about. They raise the question but they don't listen to the answer. They accuse Obama of all manner of anti-American, terrorist activity. When it is shown to them that they are wrong, they don't listen and furthermore they don't even change their rehtoric. That's blatantly dishonest politics and I hope most of the American people see it for what it is. And see McCain for what he is: a frustrated, angry, seething old man, not too good to pull out any dirty trick his camp can come up with to besmerch Senator Obama's very good record of achievements.

Edited October 30, 2008 by BJean

[BJean 16]

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By Charles Peters

Friday, January 4, 2008; Page A21

People who complain that Barack Obama lacks experience must be unaware of his legislative achievements. One reason these accomplishments are unfamiliar is that the media have not devoted enough attention to Obama's bills and the effort required to pass them, ignoring impressive, hard evidence of his character and ability.

Since most of Obama's legislation was enacted in Illinois, most of the evidence is found there -- and it has been largely ignored by the media in a kind of Washington snobbery that assumes state legislatures are not to be taken seriously. (Another factor is reporters' fascination with the horse race at the expense of substance that they assume is boring, a fascination that despite being ridiculed for years continues to dominate political journalism.)

I am a rarity among Washington journalists in that I have served in a state legislature. I know from my time in the West Virginia legislature that the challenges faced by reform-minded state representatives are no less, if indeed not more, formidable than those encountered in Congress. For me, at least, trying to deal with those challenges involved as much drama as any election. And the "heart and soul" bill, the one for which a legislator gives everything he or she has to get passed, has long told me more than anything else about a person's character and ability.

Consider a bill into which Obama clearly put his heart and soul. The problem he wanted to address was that too many confessions, rather than being voluntary, were coerced -- by beating the daylights out of the accused.

Obama proposed requiring that interrogations and confessions be videotaped.

This seemed likely to stop the beatings, but the bill itself aroused immediate opposition. There were Republicans who were automatically tough on crime and Democrats who feared being thought soft on crime. There were death penalty abolitionists, some of whom worried that Obama's bill, by preventing the execution of innocents, would deprive them of their best argument. Vigorous opposition came from the police, too many of whom had become accustomed to using muscle to "solve" crimes. And the incoming governor, Rod Blagojevich, announced that he was against it.

Obama had his work cut out for him.

He responded with an all-out campaign of cajolery. It had not been easy for a Harvard man to become a regular guy to his colleagues. Obama had managed to do so by playing basketball and poker with them and, most of all, by listening to their concerns. Even Republicans came to respect him. One Republican state senator, Kirk Dillard, has said that "Barack had a way both intellectually and in demeanor that defused skeptics."

The police proved to be Obama's toughest opponent. Legislators tend to quail when cops say things like, "This means we won't be able to protect your children." The police tried to limit the videotaping to confessions, but Obama, knowing that the beatings were most likely to occur during questioning, fought -- successfully -- to keep interrogations included in the required videotaping.

By showing officers that he shared many of their concerns, even going so far as to help pass other legislation they wanted, he was able to quiet the fears of many.

Obama proved persuasive enough that the bill passed both houses of the legislature, the Senate by an incredible 35 to 0. Then he talked Blagojevich into signing the bill, making Illinois the first state to require such videotaping.

Obama didn't stop there. He played a major role in passing many other bills, including the state's first earned-income tax credit to help the working poor and the first ethics and campaign finance law in 25 years (a law a Post story said made Illinois "one of the best in the nation on campaign finance disclosure"). Obama's commitment to ethics continued in the U.S. Senate, where he co-authored the new lobbying reform law that, among its hard-to-sell provisions, requires lawmakers to disclose the names of lobbyists who "bundle" contributions for them.

Taken together, these accomplishments demonstrate that Obama has what Dillard, the Republican state senator, calls a "unique" ability "to deal with extremely complex issues, to reach across the aisle and to deal with diverse people." In other words, Obama's campaign claim that he can persuade us to rise above what divides us is not just rhetoric.

I do not think that a candidate's legislative record is the only measure of presidential potential, simply that Obama's is revealing enough to merit far more attention than it has received. Indeed, the media have been equally delinquent in reporting the legislative achievements of Hillary Clinton and John Edwards, both of whom spent years in the U.S. Senate. The media should compare their legislative records to Obama's, devoting special attention to their heart-and-soul bills and how effective each was in actually making law.

Charles Peters, the founding editor of the Washington Monthly, is president of Understanding Government, a foundation devoted to better government through better reporting.

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[TheGh0st 9]

...And Ghost, your outline of what you'd like to see Obama do as president is exactly what I expect him to do and that is why I do not hesitate to vote for him....

I really do hope he can meet the nations hopes if he wins. This may be the one elusive common ground that both the left and right can join together on. The call to stepping up to the plate and taking personal responsibility for ones lot in life and the pursuit of some reconciliation and healing between the races.

BTW-Watcher I understand and agree that the offenses that have occured to the black race are NOT just past offenses from the the time of slavery and the generations of segregation after that. I realize that there are still injustices to this day. But even while we fight to stop the current problems we should still be striving to find some sense of healing. I think the apparent waiting for all injustices to cease before healing the rift is only prolonging the time it is taking to squash the problems that are still going on. I feel like in many ways we have lost ground from since the time of MLK when black and white activists were working TOGETHER to try to abolish segregation and voter discrimination.

...We certainly know what we'll be getting with McCain and even if Obama is unable to do everything you suggested, we'll still be better off as a country than if McCain were president.

This is just where we will have to disagree. I just don't buy into all the hype and propaganda of either side during this election. Instead I'm trying to focus on what I remember from before either candidate announced their intentions to run.

I don't buy that McCain will be a Bush replica. I keep remembering all those years when the Republican mainstream (which I am NOT) wished nothing more than McCain would dissapear or even just quit "pretending" he was a republican and join the democratic party since he seemed all too cozy with the likes of Ted Kennedy and Lieberman for those hardline Republicans. (Remember I'm trying my best to imitate the republican right wing views of the last several years - not necessarily my own in this paragraph)

But, shoot, when was the last time a candidate of either party seriously considered offering the Vice-presidency to someone who had previously run for VP on the opposite ticket? I still think that would have been a VERY interesting turn of events (Better than Palin for sure)

And even though, yes, ONE, I repeat, ONE year McCain's record does show a 90% voting with Bush record. The other year's his record was much lower, including a couple years where it was I believe less than or very near 50% (lower than some of his democrat counterparts)

I just can't help but feel if McCain wins both parties may be surprised at just how much CHANGE McCain will really represent. I suspect both of the extreme sides may be none to happy with his ideas for change, while I'm hopefull the more mainstream non-extremist population will be more pleasantly surprised.

[BethFromVA 5]

That's again, just what this campaign is all about. They raise the question but they don't listen to the answer. They accuse Obama of all manner of anti-American, terrorist activity. When it is shown to them that they are wrong, they don't listen and furthermore they don't even change their rehtoric. That's blatantly dishonest politics and I hope most of the American people see it for what it is.

I see it for what it is. If it's true, it was taken lock, stock, and barrel from the lefty playbook. They have been doing this forever.

What about poor Joe the plumber? Leftists have been using government computers to dig into all sorts of private matters on a regular individual who simply questioned Obama on his policies. The left is downright scary.

[BethFromVA 5]

If I believed for one second all those lofty goals you eloquently describe, were attainable by Sen Obama, let alone were any business of government in the first place, I'd jump on the express to vote that way.

Bravo, Jack. That about sums it up in a nutshell.

[BJean 16]

Aw, come on. Jump on the bandwagon! It's going to be great being a part of getting this country back on its' feet and strong again!!!

I just gotta say one last (we all hope) thing. About Joe the Plumber... do you realize that Joe the Plumber was a regular conservative talk show call in person? Was it a surprise to you that on the night and following morning after the debate, when McCain used Mr. Plumber ad naseum to make his points, Joe was out on his lawn holding court with his right wing rehtoric all neatly mapped out and ready to let loose on the public?

Does it make any sense to you at all that McCain's policies will not financially help Joe, but Senator Obamas would? That is, IF poor Joe ever decided to actually be a grateful man for being an American and pay his taxes to help make this country work.

Of course if his book deal comes through or he becomes a rock star, movie star or radio commentator, thereby joining the ranks of the wealthy, then the ideology he espouses would make sense.

I make light of it, but I am really stumped as to why McCain would continue to use a tactic that is so painfully transparent.

[Donna113 2]

BJean, are you implying the Republican party planted and orchestrated Joe the Plumber? If they were going to do something like that, don't you think they would have found a better candidate?