I know this was mentioned before here in the Vegans/Vegetarians forums and I wanted to maybe start this thread for all things pertaining to the book that Dr. Garth Davis authored, Proteinaholic. So far I'm on chapter 6 of it and I'm just amazed with how sound it is and all the studies that are out there to support why we don't need such a high amount of protein, and why it's a culprit of obesity, high blood pressure, diabetes, etc.... There's just so much to talk about if anyone wants to get into discussion. Now, this thread IS NOT going to be for debate. I do not want anyone coming on here advocating high protein and what they "know" and debating with any of us who are or evolving into plant based, vegans or vegetarians. I want to share the things I've learned from the book and if anyone wants to challenge those, READ THE BOOK FIRST, and then you can come and talk about it. If you don't or haven't read the book, feel free to read the things that will be posted...and do your own homework to find these facts/truths out for yourself. I literally don't have time to do a protein ping pong match...so don't start one. You will be ignored.

Okay, with that said and out of the way, the first thing I want to mention is that Dr. Davis actually dispels the myths about protein and why our bodies don't need so much. It is not an opinionated book, it's a science/fact book. It makes TOTAL sense. He is quite comical too. The parts where he plays out his doctor/patient dialogues hit me the most...because I can relate to how I was educated about protein being what we all need. I had the same mentalities as he did regarding it, but after I started watching documentaries on plant based diets for the past couple of years, I've slowly become open to all the health benefits of eating plant based. But now, even though I knew plant based is great for the health, I didn't know that the protein component was/is what was causing so many problems in my health, my husband's, etc. Now, I've got science and truth to understand the premise of protein. The history of why, what Dr Davis talks about, we western society pick apart whole foods and live based off of macronutrients. Now, it just boggles me why we do that. The other thing that rings true and is nice knowing, is that he is a bariatric surgeon too. He knows what he's coaching/telling his patients. He knows that he was not a nutritionist, didn't know a single thing, but the one hour of nutrition studies in his school days, but he took the time to dive into history, studies, reports, etc to bring light to why western society is so unhealthy, and most of it is based on animal protein.

Wow.

Read the book!

You might check out a college, sometimes they have testing available for their physio majors.. might be cheaper than a private practice. (I need to check into it too!)

1 hour ago, Berry78 said:

You might check out a college, sometimes they have testing available for their physio majors.. might be cheaper than a private practice. (I need to check into it too!)

I did check around and I found one University offering this type of service. The cost was $15 more and it was further away. So I booked my appointment this morning For 8/31. I am excited to find out just how much lean muscle versus fat my body has and my RMR.

Cool! I look forward to hearing what you learn!! Gosh, I didn't realize it would be so much $$.. I'll have to save up to get it done for me

I used to run the DEXA at an office I worked at, it's fascinating! There is one nearish to me that specializes in body comp (many places just do bone density). Here it is if anyone is in the DC area: https://www.compositionid.com/services/dexa-scan/

I really want to do it!

I am on chapter 14 of "How Not To Die" by Dr. Michael Greger.

I don't understand why more people are not eating a whole foods plant based diet. I know if you really wanted to tear apart the research and find flaws you could, but the weight of the evidence is so clear. The health benefits are so many, with almost zero negative side effects. Keep an eye on your B-12 and iron and that is about it. The incidence of protein deficiency in this country is almost nil so that isn't an issue at all. I wish I had paid more attention to this when I was younger. I might have avoided type 2 diabetes and weight gain all together. I don't miss meat, and I am happy to stay away from sugar and processed junk. I was a cheese junkie, and I don't even miss cheese.

There are so many new foods to taste and try. I don't think you could ever get bored eating this way.

8 hours ago, Apple1 said:

There are so many new foods to taste and try. I don't think you could ever get bored eating this way.

There are! So many and I'm not bored of it either.

You guys are making this jaded old vegan very happy! <3 <3

I am still listen to "How not to Die".

Some of the things I am learning are really reinforcing my decision to avoid animal products and eat a WFPB diet for life.

Do you realize all of the pesticides that find there way into the fat of animals raised for human consumption? And that scraps from slaughtering are sold to feed companies and used to once again feed the animals sold to us as food? ??These two points alone are good enough for me.

Another thing. I have started eating a salad for lunch almost everyday. I use a mix of dark leafy greens , cabbage, peppers, radish, tomatoes, walnuts, basically any veggie I have on hand, and I use a simple vinaigrette dressing. I have never been this regular. I mean twice a day regular..lol.. and I feel amazing!!

Greens really are a super food.

Ok, ladies, are y'all eating eggs? If so, I must share what I made for breakfast. TLF (to live for) it was so good!

I buy ready made kim chee with active cultures to help my gut. And I also buy cartons of baby greens: super greens trio + baby spinach.

Brekky: 241 cals; 15g protein; 16g fat; 11g carbs; 6g fiber; 5g net carb

2 6-minute soft boiled eggs (large)

1/2 tbsp KG unsalted butter

1 1/2 oz super greens

1 oz baby spinach

granulated garlic

black pepper

Banyan Kim Chee

Wilt the greens with garlic and pepper in the micro, of place in a bowl and put the bowl on top of the egg pot, it will wilt while the eggs cook. Peel eggs, split each and add butter. Add kim chee on the side. Enjoy.

Holy mama is it delish!! You can make this low cal/low fat by reducing the butter, or using avocado in place of butter, or subbing out for olive oil.

17 minutes ago, FluffyChix said:

Ok, ladies, are y'all eating eggs?

I am no longer eating eggs, dairy, or any animal products with a few exceptions

1. Yogurt- I am still eating this 2-3 times a week.

2. Wild Salmon- I ate 2oz of this last weekend, but most likely will not eat it again. I will continue to cook it for my hubby though.

3. The whey protein in my Chike protein coffee shake. I am not stopping this anytime soon.

Thank you for posting the recipe though as I am sure there are still some vegetarians reading this thread that are still eating eggs. I just can't do it anymore after all I have learned.

This actually sounds like it would be super tasty with some extra firm tofu!

Check out this recipe for tofu Parmesan. I am going to make it with vegan Parmesan cheese this weekend and spinach. I am really trying to avoid cheese so I am trying to learn how to do some of the vegan cheeses.

http://allrecipes.com/recipe/13896/tofu-parmigiana/

On ‎8‎/‎29‎/‎2017 at 10:34 AM, Apple1 said:

I am still listen to "How not to Die".

Some of the things I am learning are really reinforcing my decision to avoid animal products and eat a WFPB diet for life.

Do you realize all of the pesticides that find there way into the fat of animals raised for human consumption? And that scraps from slaughtering are sold to feed companies and used to once again feed the animals sold to us as food? ??These two points alone are good enough for me.

I finally finished Proteinaholic! YAY!!! So I can now start How not to Die...when I get to it. But yes, you sharing those points about the pesticides and the scraps are just astounding and makes me want to stay on point with the wfpb diet. I've always been one to not ever want to take prescription meds and even OTC meds just because I always think of them poisoning my body (even hated the fact that I had to take ppi's), but I didn't think about the food aspect in depth before and now that it's knowledge for me, it's hard to think about ever going back.

47 minutes ago, FluffyChix said:

Ok, ladies, are y'all eating eggs?

Not really. I've done away with most dairy....but I am not adverse to having an egg or using them in recipes once in a while. I wish I liked kim chee....my mom used to make it all the time when I was little. Who knows, maybe my taste buds changed and I'll like it these days. The recipe actually sounds good.