I know this was mentioned before here in the Vegans/Vegetarians forums and I wanted to maybe start this thread for all things pertaining to the book that Dr. Garth Davis authored, Proteinaholic. So far I'm on chapter 6 of it and I'm just amazed with how sound it is and all the studies that are out there to support why we don't need such a high amount of protein, and why it's a culprit of obesity, high blood pressure, diabetes, etc.... There's just so much to talk about if anyone wants to get into discussion. Now, this thread IS NOT going to be for debate. I do not want anyone coming on here advocating high protein and what they "know" and debating with any of us who are or evolving into plant based, vegans or vegetarians. I want to share the things I've learned from the book and if anyone wants to challenge those, READ THE BOOK FIRST, and then you can come and talk about it. If you don't or haven't read the book, feel free to read the things that will be posted...and do your own homework to find these facts/truths out for yourself. I literally don't have time to do a protein ping pong match...so don't start one. You will be ignored.

Okay, with that said and out of the way, the first thing I want to mention is that Dr. Davis actually dispels the myths about protein and why our bodies don't need so much. It is not an opinionated book, it's a science/fact book. It makes TOTAL sense. He is quite comical too. The parts where he plays out his doctor/patient dialogues hit me the most...because I can relate to how I was educated about protein being what we all need. I had the same mentalities as he did regarding it, but after I started watching documentaries on plant based diets for the past couple of years, I've slowly become open to all the health benefits of eating plant based. But now, even though I knew plant based is great for the health, I didn't know that the protein component was/is what was causing so many problems in my health, my husband's, etc. Now, I've got science and truth to understand the premise of protein. The history of why, what Dr Davis talks about, we western society pick apart whole foods and live based off of macronutrients. Now, it just boggles me why we do that. The other thing that rings true and is nice knowing, is that he is a bariatric surgeon too. He knows what he's coaching/telling his patients. He knows that he was not a nutritionist, didn't know a single thing, but the one hour of nutrition studies in his school days, but he took the time to dive into history, studies, reports, etc to bring light to why western society is so unhealthy, and most of it is based on animal protein.

Wow.

Read the book!

You warned me. I am
not offended at all. I wasn't sure what you meant by attitude so I checked it out. [emoji6] no worries.

Whew!!
I guess I'm more the rock n roll type - I'm fond of the Vegan Heavy Metal Chef too!!! [emoji12]

catt

1 hour ago, Apple1 said:

dinner at my house tonight.

You can eat that much? Looks about like 2-3 meals for me lol! Maybe the plate is smaller than it looks..

6 hours ago, CattMyst said:

If you can handle the attitude, Thug Kitchen rocks!!!!

catt

O-my! No, I couldn't handle it either. ? I'm not offended either, just not my cup of tea!

35 minutes ago, Berry78 said:

You can eat that much? Looks about like 2-3 meals for me lol! Maybe the plate is smaller than it looks..

Could be the hubby's plate??? Lol. I take pics of my hubby's a lot, just cause it looks more put together than my tiny portions.

2 hours ago, Apple1 said:

dinner at my house tonight.

That looks great and filling. Is that the bean salad recipe you shared on the other thread (or was it here)?

Ok I am maybe 85% done with Proteinaholic. Slowed down a bit due to being super busy this past week. I love the new found knowledge I have that is backed up with source. I love being introduced to Dr michael Greger (thanks again @fruitandveggies!) and learning so much science. BUT I find myself (not being superior-like) holding my breath and rolling my eyes when I scroll through all the bad advice given from other forum members!!! I want to shout science but have a feeling it won't go very well, feels almost like a minnow in shark infested waters. when the time feels right, I'll speak up. For now, I'm enjoying this choir. ?

5 hours ago, Berry78 said:

You can eat that much? Looks about like 2-3 meals for me lol! Maybe the plate is smaller than it looks..

Oh no, lol, that was my dh plate.

I should have been more specific. I can eat 4oz of salad and I am full.

5 hours ago, Newme17 said:

Is that the bean salad recipe you shared on the other thread (or was it here)?

Yes, It is the bean salad over a mixed asian salad blend. The two went well together and my dh was finishing up the bean salad. It was very good.

4 hours ago, Newme17 said:

BUT I find myself (not being superior-like) holding my breath and rolling my eyes when I scroll through all the bad advice given from other forum members!!! I want to shout science but have a feeling it won't go very well, feels almost like a minnow in shark infested waters. when the time feels right, I'll speak up. For now, I'm enjoying this choir. ?

I was thinking the same thing last night. Once you have been introduced to the research and start learning the truth it is hard to read all the posts about the excessive amounts of protein people are eating. So many doc/nuts really push the high protein low carb diets.

I am so grateful you posted this information and that I was open to looking into it for myself. I think to each his own though. If the diet you are eating is working for you and you are happy then that is all that matters. But if you are searching for a diet that will give you optimal health you need to look into the research because the science is clear. Why would our bodies be designed to process and use sugar for energy as its first choice if we weren't supposed to eat a diet heavy on carbs? Fat burning for energy is the alternate process. The light bulb went off for me when the science showed that vegans and vegetarians have the lowest percentage of type 2 diabetes.

4 hours ago, Apple1 said:

But if you are searching for a diet that will give you optimal health you need to look into the research because the science is clear.

I believe many are not after the health aspect but the vanity aspect. We all know that going from obese to normal is healthier, but it's the questions of "how much weight can I lose?" "What size will I be?" "How can I lose faster?" that seems to be the forefront of all, whether wls or dieting. Seems to become a true health issue when it's too late (or being diagnosed) and then we start to think about our insides more. Does that make sense? I told my surgeon, I'll be very happy (and continue to be) if I stay at 205lbs knowing I'm truly in optimal health now. He got a smile and nodded his head like "this girl has got it". I'm am very grateful for the knowledge myself and it's just too hard to ignore the science and facts even if I tried to. It's just too clear to be ignored.

9 hours ago, Newme17 said:

I'm am very grateful for the knowledge myself and it's just too hard to ignore the science and facts even if I tried to. It's just too clear to be ignored.

I agree. The problem is both sides of the research have flaws in their design and or the type of studies, but when you look at the totality of the weight of the evidence it is impossible to ignore.

I got the book "How Not to Die" for my Audible app so I can listen during my one hour commute to and from work. I figure it is a good use of my time and it should compliment this book nicely. I will post any interesting or especially important information as it relates to the WFPB diet.

@Apple1 you will love the book! Best 18 hours of my life. ;p And he's very aware and discusses known flaws in studies he reports on. Love that we know we're getting the best science.

Edited August 22, 20178 yr by fruitandveggies

On 8/20/2017 at 8:25 PM, CattMyst said:

Whew!!
I guess I'm more the rock n roll type - I'm fond of the Vegan Heavy Metal Chef too!!!

catt

I love vegan Heavy Metal Chef! Hail seitan! ;p ;p

4 hours ago, fruitandveggies said:

@Apple1 you will love the book! Best 18 hours of my life. ;p And he's very aware and discusses known flaws in studies he reports on. Love that we know we're getting the best science.

I need to buy it as well, I know I'll enjoy it; I enjoy the website and that special he had on. Trying to finish up Proteinaholic though. Almost there!