IF the economy is the #1 issue in America why would you vote for McCain? He stated not long ago (Sept 15,2008) that the fundamentals of our economy is good:blink:. Seriously? Then just today or yesterday, he said the problem with the economy is corporate greed and would have a commission (much like the like 9/11 commission) study it. WTF?! So basically he is saying he doesn't want to deal with the economy! AND lets not forget his TOP economic advisor stated just a few months ago in JUNE/JULY of THIS year that there was nothing wrong with our economy and that the American people were a bunch of "whiners". Does this sound like a person who is for the people? It is just infuriating to me that this race has become "tight"! I mean it's pretty bad when Karl Rove says the McCain campaign is lying and running a bad campaign!! UGH I will never understand what people see in McCain!

God does want us to take care of those that are less fortunate, IF they are not phsically or mentally able to do it themselves. and He does not want anyone to take from others when they are able to work and provide for themselves.(this is why he said 'those who will not work will not eat)

He also says to be a 'cheerful' giver.

Exactly, with the operative word there being "giver," not having it wrested away and stolen from us.

Give me a break there are bigger things at stake then whether Susie is on her 2nd or 3rd abortion

Are you kidding me? I may be getting into this conversation a little late, but what can be more important than a life? The economy? I don't think so.

I am an adoptee, my sister was adopted, my daughter is adopted (due to infertility for DW and I), my daughters birthmother is adopted as was her brother. Adoption is always an option over abortion. Obviously, I am pro life. However, after all those reasons I give, I still cannot impinge on someone elses Constitutional rights when it comes to their bodies/privacy.

Now, I am voting for McCain because I do not want to see the U.S.A. become the S.R.A. (Socialist Republic of America). The idea of "redistribution of wealth" screams of communism. How can you not see that? Obama wants to reimage the American Dream from working hard to make yourself and your family better off to let the government take care of you because you are inept. I'll take my chances that McCain will keep the dream as is.

While growing up, my single mother raised 3 children by herself. For awhile, we were on welfare. However, she worked the program the way it was intended. She worked while on welfare and put herself through college. As soon as she was able to, she got off welfare. She may have had to work up to 3 jobs just to support us, but she had PRIDE. She didn't want to take any more money than was necessary to get her, and us, on back on track.

PRIDE and RESPECT have been lost in America. Alot of people do not want to take responsibility for where they are in life right now. They don't want to work to make their lives better. They want to blame others and want to know what others are going to do to make their lives the way they dream it should be. Obama is catering to that feeling.

So, yes, I am voting for McCain and Palin. I truly believe that when it is all said and done, I would rather have to work a little harder to make it through a tough economy (which is cyclical btw) than to demean myself to taking handouts from the govt.

It's the victimology of America, Ceradad. If I can be labeled a victim (or if the government can do it for me), maybe I can get me some goodies. :cool2:

We have become a country of whiners and complainers, of PC wussies, of greedy losers with their hands out, of people who wouldn't know a hard days' work if it bit them, of people with no shame and no pride, of people who will come out in droves to save a rare mosquito or hug a tree but would never do the same for a person, of people who can't raise decent human beings to save their life, and people who have no idea how responsible they are for their own problems.

All I can say is I am glad my grandfathers who fought and died for this country aren't here to see this.

It's the victimology of America, Ceradad. If I can be labeled a victim (or if the government can do it for me), maybe I can get me some goodies. :cool2:

We have become a country of whiners and complainers, of PC wussies, of greedy losers with their hands out, of people who wouldn't know a hard days' work if it bit them, of people with no shame and no pride, of people who will come out in droves to save a rare mosquito or hug a tree but would never do the same for a person, of people who can't raise decent human beings to save their life, and people who have no idea how responsible they are for their own problems.

All I can say is I am glad my grandfathers who fought and died for this country aren't here to see this.

Couldn't agree with you any more than I already do Beth. It's almost a shame to see it. But, those same men and women who fought and died would also say they fought for these people to have that right. They were PROUD of the fact they were fighting to ensure others would have freedom after them.

Couldn't agree with you any more than I already do Beth. It's almost a shame to see it. But, those same men and women who fought and died would also say they fought for these people to have that right. They were PROUD of the fact they were fighting to ensure others would have freedom after them.

you KNOW i :cool2::wub::biggrin: ya, however i think it's really important to note that those supporting obama are not all looking for a handout/handup, are against the military, or want to hug a tree.

your going to identify with one of these candidates based off your personal belief/value system .. it's a tad unfair to lump party litmus tests onto the "groups" (both party) as a whole...i don't with my republican hubby..., but then again he voted for obama:tongue:

you KNOW i :cool2::wub::biggrin: ya, however i think it's really important to note that those supporting obama are not all looking for a handout/handup, are against the military, or want to hug a tree.

your going to identify with one of these candidates based off your personal belief/value system .. it's a tad unfair to lump party litmus tests onto the "groups" (both party) as a whole...i don't with my republican hubby..., but then again he voted for obama:tongue:

And you know the feeling is mutual.:biggrin::wub::biggrin: And that I have given you some ribbing via PM's about your Obama vote (and your rooting for the Gnats today against my Cowboys:biggrin:).

I do not lump all Obama supporters in one group. If I conveyed that, I apologize to those of you who are sensitive to such things. (it's a joke. but, if anyone was offended, I guess it just hit the mark:biggrin:).

However, I do not agree with the policies Obama is saying he will implement if elected. Therefore, I cannot vote for him. I do like most of what McCain is saying, so I will vote for him. Why do people have to have such animosity due to contradicting opinions. We each place our votes and the one that gets the most electorate votes wins. Then, we have to deal with the repurcussions for the next 4 yrs. After that, we get to go through it again. Better or worse, we'll make it through.

Why do people have to have such animosity due to contradicting opinions. We each place our votes and the one that gets the most electorate votes wins. Then, we have to deal with the repurcussions for the next 4 yrs. After that, we get to go through it again. Better or worse, we'll make it through.

absolutely - it's tuff in cyber world. since i can't talk w/out using my hands...i don't expect my written word to be read the same as an actual converstation...so the same can be said in my readings here. respectful balance is a good thing...

GO Big BLUE!!!!.

GO Big BLUE!!!!.

I hope you mean COWBOYS BLUE!!:biggrin:

If not, then we are going to have some real animosity.:cool2:

Let the churches pay taxes.

WOO HOO! COWBOYS! :cool2:

*ducks and runs*

Let the churches pay taxes.

May as well. MANY a black church is preaching liberal politics and endorsing liberal candidates from the pulpit, which goes against their 501c3 status.

OK... for whoever is still listening.

Let me lay a couple of facts out.

Row v. Wade took place in the early 70's.

Once or twice since then it has come before the supreme court. Nothing big has changed it. I am basically pro-life, though I don't have a big problem with first trimester abortions. But if that is a factor, it might not come up at all during the next 8 years.

While a president does nominate judges, there is no guarantee as to how they will vote. (remember, it was a Bush apointee who completely went against the conservative thought with Guantamo Bay).

So to make abortion the big factor is somewhat iffy reasoning.

As far as churches, as a former pastor, I was very careful to never put my political beliefs in the pulpit. I was asked by some politicians if they could speak at my church, and I never did allow it (actually, I would have allowed it each time, but none would agree to my rules of them preaching without campaigning.)

As a matter of fact, no one in my congregations would ever know who I voted for, with the one exception of the Texas Lottery, and I stated my disapproval for that with the Methodist Church's blessing and encouragement.

I will not go so far as to say that a church should lose its tax free status if they cross the line into politics, although there are some who cross the line and are making me rethink the issue. In any case, while Christians should be politically aware and active, as should clergy, the politics of people should be left at the door on Sunday mornings.

I always enjoy your posts, SteveGoad.

Row v. Wade took place in the early 70's.

Once or twice since then it has come before the supreme court. Nothing big has changed it. I am basically pro-life, though I don't have a big problem with first trimester abortions. But if that is a factor, it might not come up at all during the next 8 years.

While a president does nominate judges, there is no guarantee as to how they will vote. (remember, it was a Bush apointee who completely went against the conservative thought with Guantamo Bay).

So to make abortion the big factor is somewhat iffy reasoning.

Obama promised that the first thing he would do in office was sign the Freedom of Choice Act, "FOCA", which would reverse 100% of the (minimal) pro-life gains over the last 35 years (ban on partial birth abortion, parental notification, etc). Also, Obama has promised to have an abortion litmus test for judges (he calls it a "right to privacy" litmus test but that's "code" for abortion).

He did say in the debates it would be a litmus test, in that he would not want someone who would say no abortion at any time. But that should be obvious, since the supreme court looks at individual cases... not issues. If a judge says "I do this always" then they are not fit to judge. His statement making it directly abortion was because he was asked directly about abortion.

As far as the Freedom of Choice Act, pardon me if I have not read that act, and so I can't speak on it. I will say that I also have not heard him say this was his planned first act. And I doubt it will roll back everything. I somewhat think that is an exaggeration.

But we will have to see.