IF the economy is the #1 issue in America why would you vote for McCain? He stated not long ago (Sept 15,2008) that the fundamentals of our economy is good:blink:. Seriously? Then just today or yesterday, he said the problem with the economy is corporate greed and would have a commission (much like the like 9/11 commission) study it. WTF?! So basically he is saying he doesn't want to deal with the economy! AND lets not forget his TOP economic advisor stated just a few months ago in JUNE/JULY of THIS year that there was nothing wrong with our economy and that the American people were a bunch of "whiners". Does this sound like a person who is for the people? It is just infuriating to me that this race has become "tight"! I mean it's pretty bad when Karl Rove says the McCain campaign is lying and running a bad campaign!! UGH I will never understand what people see in McCain!

Gadget, I keep waiting and waiting for the outcry, as Obama's socialist tendencies are uncovered, but.......silence. Either people are apathetic, or stupid (or like the appeal of a socialist government, I guess).

I'm not reading that crap anymore. It's so one sided. Give me something unbaised and I might go further than the first paragraph. That is extreme left or extreme right. I'm tired of it. McCain isn't Satan, Obama isn't the Devil. I enjoy reading others opinions, especially if I can learn something. I haven't been involved in Politics for that long, and I do think I have a lot to learn, but I won't read propaganda anymore. (For both canidates)

I'm not stupid, or anything else, I just don't have the energy or the time to try to prove someone wrong, or even to show another side of an argument, to someone that has such strong, deep deep deep beliefs and loud opinions, like Gadgetlady. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but it makes it hard to debate someone, or learn anything from someone like that. I have too much stuff to do and not enough will or patience to go forcing someone to change their beliefs, It is a full time job with not a lot of actual productive results.

Can we PLEASE vote now? *counting down the days*

Either people are apathetic, or stupid (or like the appeal of a socialist government, I guess).

pretty sad, the continually name calling. doesn't allow for proper debate & is quite unnecessary.

"Well, now we know why Barack Obama’s been so reluctant to have symbols of this country associated with his campaign. No flags on his airplane. Nix to pins on his lapel. Not inclined to put his hand over his heart during the national anthem.

After all, it turns out he has a problem with that other slightly more significant representation of our nation, the United States Constitution.

Just as he tried to prove to everyone that his patriotism was demonstrated by the lack of symbols of the United States, so he is now arguing that his passion for the Constitution is demonstrated by his commitment to shredding it."

Well duuuuuuuuuuuhhh...it's cuz he's a terrorist! Anyone with any sense could see that...geesh people! And on top of everything else...he hates America...I am sure of it. NOT!

Ok, so to be patriotic we all must have flags and pins and red, white and blue and place our right hands over our hearts? Sooooo, if I pray with my eyes open and head raised, or hands not folded...does that mean that I am not Christian...or wait, maybe it means I am Muslim...that makes a lot of sense to me.

Either people are apathetic, or stupid (or like the appeal of a socialist government, I guess).

I think it's a failure of education, of a true understanding of what our Founding Fathers fought for. Many people just don't see socialism as the freedom-killing disease that it is.

Plain - I really do hope you are not painting all liberals with the "stupid" paint brush. My undergrad is in poli sci and I have an MBA. As I have stated numerous times, we are electing a President, not a dictator. The fact that Bush's approval numbers are in the TOILET, I think it's "stupid" to support someone that's voted with Bush 90% of the time.

As the article pointed out, this has nothing to do with Bush. It has everything to do with Obama and his disregard for the American Constitution.

Gadget - with your often and longggggg posts, how do you make time to also teach children? I'd be too wiped out to do all that research.

I didn't write it. I just read it and posted it. My children are doing just fine. Thanks for your concern.

I'm not reading that crap anymore. It's so one sided. Give me something unbaised and I might go further than the first paragraph.

I agree that the first few paragraphs are unpleasant; I debated not posting them, but wanted to keep the entire article intact so decided to do it. But I did bold the important stuff so people could skim and still get the meat. Here's the most salient thing:

Because this Harvard-educated lawyer then announces that the United States Supreme Court when headed by Chief Justice Earl Warren, was “not radical enough,” in its pursuit of civil liberties, because “t didn’t break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the Founding Fathers in the Constitution.”

If this has not stopped you dead in your tracks, either you don’t understand, or you’re already dead. What Obama is doing here is expressing his opinion that the Court would have better effectuated his definition of “political and economic justice” if it had been willing to ignore the limits placed upon it by the Constitution.

Here's a fun and exaggerated version of why I voted for McCain (gotta love early voting - will never wait in line on election day again)

*'Twas the night before elections*

*And all through the town*

*Tempers were flaring*

*Emotions all up and down!*

**

*I, in my bathrobe*

*With a cat in my lap*

*Had cut off the TV*

*Tired of political crap.*

**

*When all of a sudden*

*There arose such a noise*

*I peered out of my window*

*Saw Obama and his boys*

**

*They had come for my wallet*

*They wanted my pay*

*To give to the others*

*Who had not worked a day!*

**

*He snatched up my money*

*And quick as a wink*

*Jumped back on his bandwagon*

*As I gagged from the stink*

**

*He then rallied his henchmen*

*Who were pulling his cart*

*I could tell they were out*

*To tear my country apart!*

**

*' On Fannie, on Freddie, *

*On Biden and Ayers!*

*On Acorn, On Pelosi'*

*He screamed at the pairs!*

**

*They took off for his cause*

*And as he flew out of sight*

*I heard him laugh at the nation*

*Who wouldn't stand up and fight!*

**

*So I leave you to think*

*On this one final note-*

*IF YOU DONT WANT SOCIALISM*

*GET OUT AND VOTE!!!!*

I think it's a failure of education, of a true understanding of what our Founding Fathers fought for. Many people just don't see socialism as the freedom-killing disease that it is.

unfair & offensive.

i'll tuck my PhD under my ass, while i attend law school in Jan.....so uneducated that i am....

unfair & offensive.

i'll tuck my PhD under my ass, while i attend law school in Jan.....so uneducated that i am....

Cleerly those of us thaht thenk differently than some are jest plane stoopid. Keep thinking that you're above alllllll of us b/c, by damn, Bush has been a fabulous president. I'm unsubscribing now b/c that kind of thinking makes me absolutely SICK TO MY NEWLY BANDED STOMACH.

Good for you, Gadget et al.....God put YOU on the earth white, Republican, and Christian. Thank goodness you're one of the chosen ones. EYEROLL

Oh and PS - our Founding Fathers didn't fight for YOU to be able to own any kind of gun other than one that fired once after one packed in the gun powder.

The GOP ticket's appalling contempt for science and learning. - By Christopher Hitchens - Slate Magazine

Finally, someone has the stones to articulate what is really at stake. Down with anti-intellectualism!!!

"...This is what the Republican Party has done to us this year: It has placed within reach of the Oval Office a woman who is a religious fanatic and a proud, boastful ignoramus. Those who despise science and learning are not anti-elitist. They are morally and intellectually slothful people who are secretly envious of the educated and the cultured. And those who prate of spiritual warfare and demons are not just "people of faith" but theocratic bullies. On Nov. 4, anyone who cares for the Constitution has a clear duty to repudiate this wickedness and stupidity."

unfair & offensive.

i'll tuck my PhD under my ass, while i attend law school in Jan.....so uneducated that i am....

I'm not talking about you. I'm talking about the general public. Most people don't understand basic economics. Yes, there are some people who are socialists because they truly believe it (Obama comes to mind), but there are some who just get sucked in because it "sounds good" and they've never been exposed to the problems with it.

Cleerly those of us thaht thenk differently than some are jest plane stoopid. Keep thinking that you're above alllllll of us b/c, by damn, Bush has been a fabulous president. I'm unsubscribing now b/c that kind of thinking makes me absolutely SICK TO MY NEWLY BANDED STOMACH.

Good for you, Gadget et al.....God put YOU on the earth white, Republican, and Christian. Thank goodness you're one of the chosen ones. EYEROLL

It's interesting that the attack could just as easily be reversed, with the opposite barbs. You believe you are just as correct in your beliefs as I believe I am.

The GOP ticket's appalling contempt for science and learning. - By Christopher Hitchens - Slate Magazine

Finally, someone has the stones to articulate what is really at stake. Down with anti-intellectualism!!!

"...This is what the Republican Party has done to us this year: It has placed within reach of the Oval Office a woman who is a religious fanatic and a proud, boastful ignoramus. Those who despise science and learning are not anti-elitist. They are morally and intellectually slothful people who are secretly envious of the educated and the cultured. And those who prate of spiritual warfare and demons are not just "people of faith" but theocratic bullies. On Nov. 4, anyone who cares for the Constitution has a clear duty to repudiate this wickedness and stupidity."

I thought that this article by Christopher Hitchens was right on the money. Thanks for posting it.

Desperate times, desperate measures. That's what all the name calling is about. No one is listening to them anymore and they are reduced to 2nd grade name calling.

Anyone here know about the early American experiment in socialism? While Thanksgiving is a month away, the lesson is timeless.

Freedomwriter.com :: Special Interest - HISTORY LESSON ON THANKSGIVING

HISTORY LESSON ON THANKSGIVING

Matthew A. Givens

Happy Thanksgiving!

Thanksgiving is approaching once again, and with it come visions of children's plays with Indians and Pilgrims, complete with little Pilgrim hats made of construction paper. The story told in these plays and learned by public school students at every grade level is a simple one.

The Pilgrims arrived at Plymouth Rock late in 1620. The first winter was harsh, but the colonists worked hard and applied themselves industriously to their own survival. They had help from the local Indian tribes, who helped them learn how to survive. The result was a plentiful harvest in fall 1621, not to mention the first celebration of Thanksgiving.

It's a wonderful story. There's only one problem with it: It isn't true. It contains elements of truth. For example, the first winter was harsh, and the local Indian tribes did help the colonists learn how to survive, what to plant and how to prepare the food. But the 1621 harvest was not bountiful. In fact, famine haunted the fledgling colony.

When the colonists first landed, they signed something called the Mayflower Compact. Most of us have heard this document praised as an early social contract helping different people to live together. What most of us never learned was that it was also an experiment in socialism.

The Mayflower Compact required that "all profits and benefits that are got by trade, working, fishing or any other means" were placed in the common stock of the colony. Further, it required that "all such persons as are of this colony are to have their meat, drink, apparel and all provisions out of this common stock." People were required to put into the common stock everything they could, and take out only what they needed.

William Bradford, governor of the colony at the time, wrote History of Plymouth Plantation. In it, he wrote that "young men that are most able and fit for labor and service" complained about being forced to "spend their time and strength to work for other men's wives and children." Since "the strong, or man of parts, had no more division of victuals and clothes than he that was weak," the strong men simply refused to work, and the amount of food produced was never adequate.

In fact, the colony went hungry for years as strong men refused to work hard, and theft of crops still in the ground ran rampant. Bradford wrote that the colony was riddled with "corruption and discontent." The crops were small because "much was stolen both by night and day, before it became scarce eatable."

The harvests of 1621 and 1622 were adequate enough so that "all had their hungry bellies filled," but that did not last. Deaths from malnutrition continued into the next year.

But in 1623, something changed. Bradford reported, "Instead of famine now God gave them plenty, and the face of things was changed to the rejoicing of the hearts of many, for which they blessed God." By 1624, the colony was producing so much food that it began exporting corn.

What caused this change?

After the poor harvest of 1622, the colony brainstormed for a way to raise more corn and obtain a better crop. The solution, like the Thanksgiving story told today, was simple. In 1623, Bradford "gave each household a parcel of land and told them they could keep what they produced, or trade it away as they saw fit."

The socialistic experiment that had failed them was abandoned and replaced with capitalism. That turned the colonists away from failure and forward into success and growth. And this move away from socialism, along with the resulting prosperity, is what we truly Celebrate today. It is easy to see why I call Thanksgiving the first Libertarian holiday.

Thanksgiving, far from being the simple and uninspiring story of a group of people learning how to farm, is actually a celebration of what has made America itself great. It is the story of people working together by working for themselves first, and in so doing, improving the standard of living for everyone. These are the American ideas we hold dear.

As you sit down to your table laden with turkey, dressing and pumpkin pie, remember the true story of Thanksgiving, and what it means to all.