Yep, I eat them all. Love them. They're a daily part of my diet. Sometimes multiple times a day.

OMG, they're carbs!

Yep, they are. But they're not refined, over-processed, or bad.

And you know what else they are?

Excellent sources of plant based protein and fiber.

A baked potato has 160 calories. By itself, it has 4g of protein. Throw some vegetarian chili on there and you're in the high teens. Awesome lunch!

Brown rice...half a cup has around 100 calories and 3g of protein. Add some bean or peas and you've got complete amino acids...tons of protein... and a crazy awesome amount of fiber.

Why is dietary fiber important? To grow good gut bugs. Your microbiota and the health of your gut (and metabolism) depend on happy little bacteria. The strains of gut bugs that live in the guts of skinny people....have a favorite food: dietary fiber. Feed your good bugs good things and they'll be good to you.

They like to eat fruit, veggies, beans, whole wheat bread...

Whole wheat bread? I eat this A LOT:)

For instance.....A lite Thomas English wheat muffin has 5g of protein for 100 calories. This dietary powerhouse has 8g of dietary fiber! Smear that sucker with your favorite nut butter or fruit preserves, and you're in business.

One of my favorite go-to dinners these days...... is fresh homemade wheat bread with 16 veggie soup...and fruit for dessert.

I eat about four servings of fruit a day...and that's not even counting the watermelon I huddle over in the car while hissing "My Precious...." LOL:)

A banana is not "a candy bar" A banana is a wonderful healthy food. I eat lots of them. Hell, I have a Yonanas that makes them into ice cream. They're terrific.

Normal weight does not HAVE to mean giving up carbs. It means being carb smart, balancing, and making mindful choices.

More than one way to do this whole thing.

Weight loss success does not mean ONLY eating meat for the rest of your life with broccoli on the side. That's great once in a while, though!

Not trying to tell anyone they're doing it wrong.....just sayin'....there's more than one way to do it right:)

Extreme thinking, extreme dieting, extreme self denial....is not sustainable.

Work on a forever diet you can live with.

Be mindful, be accountable....but be kind to yourself.

?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/lifestyles/health/sc-hlth-carb-diet-dangerous-20180920-story.html

https://www.rd.com/health/conditions/this-diet-could-stop-cancer-from-spreading/

Whole grains, beans and fruits important for preventing cancer.

You know- it’s kind of awful to repeatedly come here and encourage folks to go against the advice of their medical providers.

6 minutes ago, insta_adventurer said:

You know- it’s kind of awful to repeatedly come here and encourage folks to go against the advice of their medical providers.

My medical provider is 100% on board with my diet. My medical provider is also a leading university teaching hospital. If your medical provider does not agree with my medical provider, there's nothing I can do about that.

We've known about the dangers of low carb diets for along time. Here's an American Harvard study of 120,000 people.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2989112/

I think people get confused by good carbs and bad carbs. Nothing you listed above seems unhealthy to me.

My drs advice after surgery was that as long as I get in 60 grams of protein there was no restrictions on my diet.

Healthy carbs are good and fiber is good too. Without it I get very stopped up

On 10/18/2018 at 10:49, Creekimp13 said:

My medical provider is 100% on board with my diet. My medical provider is also a leading university teaching hospital. If your medical provider does not agree with my medical provider, there's nothing I can do about that.

We've known about the dangers of low carb diets for along time. Here's an American Harvard study of 120,000 people.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2989112/

And that’s great! But the only thing you seem to come here to do is advocate on behalf of your beloved carbohydrates, as if the rest of don’t know any better and are doing this thing all wrong.

It just seems a bit antagonistic. ??‍♀️

17 minutes ago, insta_adventurer said:

You know- it’s kind of awful to repeatedly come here and encourage folks to go against the advice of their medical providers.

What I think is awful....is how people here are continually encouraged to do what doesn't work.

How many hundreds of posts have we read that go like this:

"I lost all this weight by self denial and will power and eating a very restricted diet....and I'm so sad and disgusted with myself that I put half of it back on. HELP!"

And what do these people routinely get told here?

Go back on your diet that was unsustainable...and didn't work. Try harder. Deny more.

It's crazy. And it's unhealthy to yo-yo.

There is no harm in illustrating a DIFFERENT path supported by science. No one is forcing anyone to do anything.

There are and always will be a variety of options and opinions.

1 minute ago, insta_adventurer said:

It just seems a bit antagonistic.

Only if you're an authoritarian who feels that there are one set of rules that everyone must follow...and that anyone suggesting otherwise is a trouble maker.

On 10/18/2018 at 11:08, Creekimp13 said:

Only if you're an authoritarian who feels that there are one set of rules that everyone must follow...and that anyone suggesting otherwise is a trouble maker.

I am an authoritarian, I guess. I think a person’s medical team is more knowledgeable about their success than I am. ??‍♀️

Also- people who are freshly moved into their glass houses (meaning you’ve been at maintenance for like a second) really should not throw stones about how to successfully not regain or fail.

But look at me, serving up exactly what you’re after. ?

I think there are a lot of crappy "bariatric medical teams" out there that are offering really God awful advice that is potentially causing harm and endangering people.

My medical team thinks so, too.

So what do we do about that conundrum?

True, I've been at maintenance since July...not long at all. Touche. You're right.

And I'm also having a hell of a time keeping my weight up. I'd like to be 170...today the scale says 162.

I have been actively trying to stop my weight loss for three month. Most days I eat 1600 calories, but I try for 1700-1800. That's a LOT of food when you eat mostly fruits and veggies and complex carbs. I'm not a big 'fats' eater and I limit animal proteins to 3 servings or so a week. I do get 60g of protein a day....mostly from carbs/plant sources. I also get at least 25g of dietary fiber a day. I avoid dairy. Am currently trying to eat more nuts.

While I want to weigh 170, my team says my body might have other ideas....and to trust my body. This is probably really good advice.

But yeah...part of my focus lately has been arresting my weight loss. My posts probably reflect that.

Believe it or not....there are others who are coping with this issue.

There are a lot of DIFFERENT experiences represented on this board:)

2 hours ago, Creekimp13 said:

Yep, I eat them all. Love them. They're a daily part of my diet. Sometimes multiple times a day.

OMG, they're carbs!

Yep, they are. But they're not refined, over-processed, or bad.

...

You are going hard for carbs lately.

Keep it up.

I think that, in the future, we will look back on our current anti-carb obsession with the same derision as we look back on the anti-fat nonsense of the 1990s. It's a fad. It will pass.

Nutrition science is in its infancy, and every single nutritionist I've ever met, and most I've followed online for any time, have been dogmatic. There are dogmatic vegetarian/vegan nutritionists, dogmatic anti-carb nutritionists (bariatric teams seem to hire them disproportionately often), dogmatic "three meals/no snacks" nutritionists, dogmatic "eat small amounts all day" nutritionists. More than one nutritionist I've had the misfortune to deal with has been entirely ignorant about the research surrounding BMR changes brought on by diet, probably because their paycheck required them to stay ignorant. They all (all of them I've met and nearly all of them whose websites I visit) cherry-pick their sources, ignoring the things they don't want to integrate into their practice.

Nutrition "science," as practiced in client-facing situations, is just survivorship bias writ large. "Well this all works for ME." MEH!

... Hi, I'm CrankyMagpie, and I didn't know I had a rant waiting to get out, but here we are.

2 hours ago, Creekimp13 said:

Yep, I eat them all. Love them. They're a daily part of my diet. Sometimes multiple times a day.

OMG, they're carbs!

Yep, they are. But they're not refined, over-processed, or bad.

And you know what else they are?

Excellent sources of plant based Protein and Fiber.

A baked potato has 160 calories. By itself, it has 4g of protein. Throw some vegetarian chili on there and you're in the high teens. Awesome lunch!

Brown rice...half a cup has around 100 calories and 3g of protein. Add some bean or peas and you've got complete amino acids...tons of protein... and a crazy awesome amount of fiber.

Why is dietary fiber important? To grow good gut bugs. Your microbiota and the health of your gut (and metabolism) depend on happy little bacteria. The strains of gut bugs that live in the guts of skinny people....have a favorite food: dietary fiber. Feed your good bugs good things and they'll be good to you.

They like to eat fruit, veggies, Beans, whole wheat bread...

Whole wheat bread? I eat this A LOT:)

For instance.....A lite Thomas English wheat muffin has 5g of protein for 100 calories. This dietary powerhouse has 8g of dietary fiber! Smear that sucker with your favorite nut butter or fruit preserves, and you're in business.

One of my favorite go-to dinners these days...... is fresh homemade wheat bread with 16 veggie soup...and fruit for dessert.

I eat about four servings of fruit a day...and that's not even counting the watermelon I huddle over in the car while hissing "My Precious...." LOL:)

A banana is not "a candy bar" A banana is a wonderful healthy food. I eat lots of them. Hell, I have a Yonanas that makes them into ice cream. They're terrific.

Normal weight does not HAVE to mean giving up carbs. It means being carb smart, balancing, and making mindful choices.

More than one way to do this whole thing.

Weight loss success does not mean ONLY eating meat for the rest of your life with broccoli on the side. That's great once in a while, though!

Not trying to tell anyone they're doing it wrong.....just sayin'....there's more than one way to do it right:)

Extreme thinking,
extreme dieting, extreme self denial....is not sustainable.Work on a forever diet you can live with.

Be mindful, be accountable....but be kind to yourself.

It's fantastic that you are enthusiastic about your new way of eating. Glad carbs work for you. You also need to understand that your plan may not work for other people's body physiology. I'm sure you don't appreciate when people to judge your plan. There is no need for you to judge other people's plan. Just sayin'.

Not sure what extreme dieting, Extreme thinking and extreme self denial.?? Not sure what that is in reference to. What you view as extreme may not be extreme to others. We all have are own path.

All opinions are welcome. My plan is also different. I just feel no need to preach it.