Pissed Off and Rebelling

[Greensleevie 451]

23 hours ago, summerset said:

BTW, when reading some of the posts in these thread I wonder why some people on here needed WLS in the first place. They were obviously so good at implementing all these changes and new habits before surgery happened... it should have made that sideshow thing WLS unnecessary. Maybe with a longer waiting period all that excess weight would have been gone without surgery after all.

Because maybe the issue wasn't losing the weight, but KEEPING it off? That's the hard part, you know.

[Greensleevie 451]

So many short sighted people. It's not all about losing it, folks. Losing it with WLS is easy, and dare I say even...fun. But that's just a sliver of the pie of the rest of our lives. A blip on the radar. Then the hard work REALLY starts.

The day will come in the not too distant future where you can eat normal portions (yes normal, as in what portions adults are SUPPOSED to be eating according to nutrition professionals) and your hunger returns, and then what? If there's too much over reliance on the tool, and then suddenly the tool isn't as reliable as it used to be, what do you think is going to happen if you're not properly educated and prepared? Maybe ask almost 50% of people who gain some or all of their weight back?

Now who can argue that a very well prepared patient can combat that situation better than one who isn't? Learning about proper nutrition, macros, proper portion sizes, and how to battle emotional or boredom eating before surgery wouldn't be beneficial to them?

[Julie norton 2,850]

WLS seems to require a life long commitment. It almost trains you in the first year. How and when and how much to eat. Then. You get to try to live like that ... for life... 10 years later and I still try everyday. Mostly successful... no one is perfect!!

[Finding_Stacy 263]

5 hours ago, Greensleevie said:

So many short sighted people. It's not all about losing it, folks. Losing it with WLS is easy, and dare I say even...fun. But that's just a sliver of the pie of the rest of our lives. A blip on the radar. Then the hard work REALLY starts.

The day will come in the not too distant future where you can eat normal portions (yes normal, as in what portions adults are SUPPOSED to be eating according to nutrition professionals) and your hunger returns, and then what? If there's too much over reliance on the tool, and then suddenly the tool isn't as reliable as it used to be, what do you think is going to happen if you're not properly educated and prepared? Maybe ask almost 50% of people who gain some or all of their weight back?

Now who can argue that a very well prepared patient can combat that situation better than one who isn't? Learning about proper nutrition, macros, proper portion sizes, and how to battle emotional or boredom eating before surgery wouldn't be beneficial to them?

Even though I do believe this is a lifetime commitment, your post is missing one important fact. People aren't gaining their weight back after the second month, more like around the second year.

Insurance companies, like mine, who aren't requiring a wait time have only just started doing this in the last couple of years--and my insurance company is still in the minority since most don't do this yet. That means MOST people in your statistics who have gained their weight back by now DID have a wait time.

I stick to my original post. This is up to the patient, not the pre-diet plan you were on before. I think it's a small many who jumped into surgery after a week's thought. Even though I have no required wait, it's still taking me 4 months from first appointment to surgery day, but this is something I've been reading about and thinking about for over ten years.

Generalizations on people's behavior do more harm than good. This should be a site about building people up, not judging people's behavior.

[summerset 5,261]

15 hours ago, Greensleevie said:

Because maybe the issue wasn't losing the weight, but KEEPING it off? That's the hard part, you know.

Ah yes, but with all these new and excellent habits it should be a breeze anyway? Because you've already cemented these habits within that honeymoon period, remember? And wasn't that always the problem in the past as well that made maintenance impossible? Going back to "old habits"?

[summerset 5,261]

15 hours ago, Greensleevie said:

So many short sighted people. It's not all about losing it, folks. Losing it with WLS is easy, and dare I say even...fun. But that's just a sliver of the pie of the rest of our lives. A blip on the radar. Then the hard work REALLY starts.

I think it's kind of sad that people keep continuing telling this themselves, like a self-fulfilling prophecy, but to each their own.

Maintenance is not harder than losing. But of course when you're in the I'm-eating-only-600-800-cals-a-day-like-I-did-when-I-was-crash-dieting-in-the-past-to-get-the-rush-of-quick-weight-loss-and-then-started-bingeing-because-I-was-too-deprived-club I can understand why maintaining is harder than losing.

I too can't believe how short sighted some people are - repeating the past mistakes over and over and OVER again.

[summerset 5,261]

10 hours ago, Finding_Stacy said:

Insurance companies, like mine, who aren't requiring a wait time have only just started doing this in the last couple of years--and my insurance company is still in the minority since most don't do this yet. That means MOST people in your statistics who have gained their weight back by now DID have a wait time.

This. Nothing more to say.

[Middus 491]

I think it's kind of sad that people keep continuing telling this themselves, like a self-fulfilling prophecy, but to each their own.
Maintenance is not harder than losing. But of course when you're in the I'm-eating-only-600-800-cals-a-day-like-I-did-when-I-was-crash-dieting-in-the-past-to-get-the-rush-of-quick-weight-loss-and-then-started-bingeing-because-I-was-too-deprived-club I can understand why maintaining is harder than losing.
I too can't believe how short sighted some people are - repeating the past mistakes over and over and OVER again.

Maintenance is harder than the initial 'losing'. A lot of research is happening in this field. Quite a few studies are focused on why the brain tries to reset metabolism in such a way that it wants to return you to your former weight. Meaning that the body will keep using less and less energy and prefer storing it instead. This can really mess with a person.

While I get your point, sometimes it's not because people starved themselves during the losing stage. Everything is a balance. The whole point of nutritional counselling is for us to have sustainable diets, which will help us maintain our goal weights. So a 600-800 cal/day dash to one's goal weight is a bit unrealistic to maintain 9-10 years post op..

However, there are still people whose bodies will try to make them gain weight even on 1200-1400 cals/day

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[summerset 5,261]

6 hours ago, Greensleevie said:

Wow. You have it all figured out, dont you?

Seems like we have at least something in common, huh?

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We will see how well you have things figured out in 3-5 years. In the mean time, your advice means nothing

LOL. Stop being ridiculous, please. My "honeymoon period" was over like 15 years ago.

[summerset 5,261]

6 hours ago, Middus said:

Quite a few studies are focused on why the brain tries to reset metabolism in such a way that it wants to return you to your former weight.

Interestingly enough there are studies that deal with set point theory and WLS and that the WLS procedure itself is obviously able to lower the patient's set point to a new lower weight making both losing and maintaining weight easier.

[Greensleevie 451]

5 hours ago, summerset said:

Seems like we have at least something in common, huh?

LOL. Stop being ridiculous, please. My "honeymoon period" was over like 15 years ago.

I never said I had it all figured out. Quite the opposite, actually. I just think you're being ridiculous thinking you know all about maintenence when you haven't even started yet. How do you know how hard or easy something is if you haven't even experienced it yet?

Quite presumptuous of you.

It's not just me. Ask any vet here over 3 years out (if there are even any left on this ridiculous forum full of newbies) and they'll tell you maintenence is MUCH harder than losing the weight. Or do you just enjoy being contrary?

I'm done with you now.

Edited April 1, 2017 by Greensleevie