I thought I would post this topic because it may help others and I wonder if others are still waiting for hours to drink after they have eaten their food.

Someone just made a post about not drinking up to a certain time after eating.

Just think about it, if you "wait" and NOT wash the food down, it is actually sitting in your esophagus, "stretching" it over time, we lap banders do not have a pouch -- like Bypass people do, although we have called it that in the past, the band actually makes a little area above the banded stomach which is actually the lower esophagus.

Well there is a LOT of misinformation going on now about not drinking and eating at the same time. When I got my band over 8 years ago, we were given the 30/30 rule to drink up to 30 minutes before a meal and not drink until after 30 minutes after we ate.

NOW -- based on new evidence that MANY lap band surgeons and nutritionist are not aware of is waiting to drink IS NOT ADVISABLE - BUT CAN IN FACT CAUSE LAP BAND COMPLICATIONS.

Could this be why the lap band complication rate in the US is so high? Could be, there is evidence by the most skilled lap band surgeon who created the green zone that waiting to drink will actually CAUSE esophageal dilation because the food must be washed through each time we eat and NOT sit in the esophagus causing to stretch, FOOD should always pass through the band and not sit for hours or days inside esophagus.

Also I do find that if I eat and drink with my new band, I still get satisfied. Also if we can't drink right after taking a bit of food without vomiting the band is too tight, food and liquids should always go past the band.

Please read this article on this subject in its entirely, I also gave this article to my own surgeon for him to review it because MANY US surgeons follow the Green zone chart to prevent complications with the band.

One of the key lessons learned from Burton’s studies was that each bite of food should pass across the band completely before another bite is swallowed. There is no pouch or small stomach above the band and there should never be food sitting there waiting.

http://bariatrictime...1/#comment-2133

Gastric Banding and the Fine Art of Eating

if you block/ignore them, you can click to not view their posts, comments and they cant pm you or chat w/you..its a great function to use..i have been asking alex to include in the future, those who are blocked by someone, cant comment/quote/like one's post also...to me block means just that.blocked.....

Damn...Damn Damn...you mean to tell me that ALL those people that I've just blocked can STILL read my posts? I thought Alex said this would be fixed in this new rollout...ARG! I guess we need to ping him on that new functionality which is a MUST! Because you will get stalkers that will constantly terrorize .....

I've blocked just about half the people in this post, hopefully they get it -- that I can't see their posts and responding to me a fruitless..LOL...

if you block/ignore them, you can click to not view their posts, comments and they cant pm you or chat w/you..its a great function to use..i have been asking alex to include in the future, those who are blocked by someone, cant comment/quote/like one's post also...to me block means just that.blocked.....

I'm hoping in this new version the block feature extends to the mobile apps as well. Previously on VST it did not....and the crazies were always infecting my iPhone.

i just read that prince charles thinks brown eggs taste better than white ones.......i like quail eggs myself but they are expensive...

Now I know you'll never try this CG, but raw quail eggs on a roe(raw fish eggs) infested sushi roll is delicious. Yummmm!

Now I know you'll never try this CG, but raw quail eggs on a roe(raw fish eggs) infested sushi roll is delicious. Yummmm!

......i just have no words boo....... you and t trying to convince me about fish...... raw fish eggs huh?? sounds yummy

This is stressful. And confusing! Is there a brain erase feature in this new format so I can un-read all this?

Hi there, can you put me on the block list, too -- I can't figure out how to do it from here. This is way too stressful for me. Thank you!

Hi Bandista,

Sorry about this thread turning into a train wreak....

I don't know why you are confused about my post, I was just repeating what Dr. O'Brien mentioned, OTHERS just made it more confusing. Dr. O'Brien clearly says in his videos, they've learned over the years, there is no advantage to wait 20 minutes to drink after eating. In fact he also suggest to drink a glass a wine with a meal WHILE eating, but again, he mentioned to wait and chew your food and wait until that food goes down before taking a sip of wine.

One of the many lap band golden rules have always been to wait either 30 minutes or even up to 1 hour to drink to keep from washing the food through...but again O'Brien mention that after several studies and clinical research there IS NO ADVANTAGE to this. This was the POINT of my post apparently many can't seem to understand this.

However, this does not mean for you to NOT follow your surgeons rules, so please do not get confused by what I post.... every surgical practice does not follow Dr. O'Brien but MANY do, since Dr. O'Brien has one of the most successful lap Band practices in the world and has very low long term complication rates.

Unfortunately, if I block you, you can still see my posts ...apparently the technical staff has not yet mastered that functionality yet to have both the blocked and blockee to not see each others posts.

Don't worry NO more posts like this...I will only talk about sex for the next few months.... :wub:

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I know the band is placed in "different" positions on each person and everyone will have different experiences based on how their surgeons placed their band.

SOME SURGEONS DO PLACE THE BAND WRONG -- I've known many that say they can't eat most solid food and vomit daily, however I've had 2 lap bands and I've always been able to eat solid food WITHOUT vomiting with both bands as long as I was in the green zone, and my older 4cc band was "high pressured" and very tight out of the gate.

So there IS EVIDENCE of many people having esophageal dilation from letting the food sit in the esophagus too long and in fact if done over many years it can actually cause a "second stomach" in the lower esophagus.

So please DON'T confuse others by saying "there is actually a pouch" when IT IS NOT. AND LAP BANDERS SHOULD NOT HAVE A POUCH-- THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT YOUR SURGEON SAYS.

The band is not placed up by the esophagus it is placed at the fundus which is the top part of the stomach at least 2 to 3 inches below the esophageal sphincter. The reason that the esophagus gets dilated comes from over eating and the sphincter being weak as with acid reflux allowing food to back up into the esophagus. What idiot surgeon would place the band around the bottom of the esophagus.

This is where the band is placed normally not at the bottom of the esophagus.

i am attaching my own xray of my band w/plication during a barium swallow..look closely (the small ball (is my plicated stomach) and underneath the (tornado shape funnel) is the band itself..you can see faint a line..

Can I just say a HUGE thank you to hazelsbliss, carolinagirl, cheryl2586, 2muchfun, and the other voices of reason who actually advise listening to your doctors and following their advice!!! When I first started reading this thread, I started to panic! I could not believe we were being advised to go against what all our doctors have told us regarding drinking while we eat. I just want to let you know that I appreciate all of you standing up and having the nerve to go against someone who seems to think they're the authority on all things lap-band. Please never stop doing what you're doing to help us continue to learn the truths that we need to know during our lap-band process!

Can I just say a HUGE thank you to hazelsbliss, carolinagirl, cheryl2586, 2muchfun, and the other voices of reason who actually advise listening to your doctors and following their advice!!! When I first started reading this thread, I started to panic! I could not believe we were being advised to go against what all our doctors have told us regarding drinking while we eat. I just want to let you know that I appreciate all of you standing up and having the nerve to go against someone who seems to think they're the authority on all things lap-band. Please never stop doing what you're doing to help us continue to learn the truths that we need to know during our lap-band process!

MamaJamma,

I totally AGREE with you, NEVER STOP doing what you are doing to be successful!

I am NO authority on the lap band, it's not my business profession, I was just repeating what Dr.O'BRIEN' article and video says....and wanted to know to Poll others if they were now following HIS ADVICE....

I clearly don't understand what you MEAN by telling others to keep doing what they are doing as IF I AM SUGGESTING THEM TO STOP.-- is this some type of "code language" that I don't understand because I AM not suggesting OR DO I CARE what others do with their lap bands.

I just thought I would put this information out there regarding keeping food flowing through the band AS DR' O'BRIEN suggest.... instead of possibly allowing food to stretch the esophagus overtime....HIS WORDS NOT MINE....

If ANYONE ELSE REPLY TO THIS POST AND SUGGEST that I AM CREATING THIS NEW GOLDEN RULE OF DRINKING WITH MEALS, OR I AM AN AUTHORITY --- PLEASE VOICE ALL OF YOUR CONCERNS and write a letter to O'Brien, who has the most successful long term lap band clinic in the world...and question HIM NOT ME...

Good grief....I

Can I just say a HUGE thank you to hazelsbliss, carolinagirl, cheryl2586, 2muchfun, and the other voices of reason who actually advise listening to your doctors and following their advice!!! When I first started reading this thread, I started to panic! I could not believe we were being advised to go against what all our doctors have told us regarding drinking while we eat. I just want to let you know that I appreciate all of you standing up and having the nerve to go against someone who seems to think they're the authority on all things lap-band. Please never stop doing what you're doing to help us continue to learn the truths that we need to know during our lap-band process!

AND Oh...I forgot to mention...remember the Green Zone that everyone follows? O'Brien wrote that chart level too, so instead of writing a fruitless post to me, if you don't agree with O'Brien;s protocol on the lap band please send email him, he has a website.....He did not create the Green Zone chart and his new updated drinking rule while eating WITHOUT PROOF and clinic studies on the consequences of what can happen long term....

Can I just say a HUGE thank you to hazelsbliss, carolinagirl, cheryl2586, 2muchfun, and the other voices of reason who actually advise listening to your doctors and following their advice!!! When I first started reading this thread, I started to panic! I could not believe we were being advised to go against what all our doctors have told us regarding drinking while we eat. I just want to let you know that I appreciate all of you standing up and having the nerve to go against someone who seems to think they're the authority on all things lap-band. Please never stop doing what you're doing to help us continue to learn the truths that we need to know during our lap-band process!

lol Mamma, you had to restir the pot ey? ahhahaha

Unfortunately, as you can see, she is more interested in being defensive than having enough introspection to reread the thread and understand that what she actually said and intended to say do not jive. Hence all the backpedaling.

It is a very good lesson for everyone (especially newbies) to align themselves with people who are here to support and educate and not counter the advice/guidance of your own doctor. I will also reemphasize, that if you get information like this that completely conflicts with anything you ever learned, take it to your doc so they can either confirm or deny the new information. You'll come along alot of bad advice on here and veterans are quick to jump on it to correct it. That's precisely what you see happening here in this thread.

I hope our responses helped lessen your anxiety. Just remember to read all the responses, acknowledge who is doing the talking and form an opinion in the end.

Best of luck in your journey

I know nothing about the band and I have no desire to know anything about the band. I don't know you peeps and you don't know me, so I am 100% a neutral party.

BEST.THREAD.EVER.

I came in with no opinions about anyone but I am certainly leaving with a few which I will happily keep to myself.

I will say this. If I was the holy Dr. O, I would be ABSOLUTELY MORTIFIED by this discussion. While it's clear that he is a respected physician (by at least one person), his methodology is almost being used as a weapon here. Certainly not how I'd want to be represented.

I know nothing about the band and I have no desire to know anything about the band. I don't know you peeps and you don't know me, so I am 100% a neutral party. BEST.THREAD.EVER. I came in with no opinions about anyone but I am certainly leaving with a few which I will happily keep to myself. I will say this. If I was the holy Dr. O, I would be ABSOLUTELY MORTIFIED by this discussion. While it's clear that he is a respected physician (by at least one person), his methodology is almost being used as a weapon here. Certainly not how I'd want to be represented.

This has been my entertainment and horror this past weekend.... It's one of those can't we just agree to disagree moments that no one is ever going to win.