IF the economy is the #1 issue in America why would you vote for McCain? He stated not long ago (Sept 15,2008) that the fundamentals of our economy is good:blink:. Seriously? Then just today or yesterday, he said the problem with the economy is corporate greed and would have a commission (much like the like 9/11 commission) study it. WTF?! So basically he is saying he doesn't want to deal with the economy! AND lets not forget his TOP economic advisor stated just a few months ago in JUNE/JULY of THIS year that there was nothing wrong with our economy and that the American people were a bunch of "whiners". Does this sound like a person who is for the people? It is just infuriating to me that this race has become "tight"! I mean it's pretty bad when Karl Rove says the McCain campaign is lying and running a bad campaign!! UGH I will never understand what people see in McCain!

Scientists that believe in creation (you do know that creation and evolution can go hand in hand)

• Gerald E. Aardsma (physicist and radiocarbon dating)
  
• Louis Agassiz (helped develop the study of glacial geology and of ichthyology)
  
• Alexander Arndt (analytical chemist, etc.) [more info]
  
• Steven A. Austin (geologist and coal formation expert) [more info]
  
• Charles Babbage (helped develop science of computers / developed actuarial tables and the calculating machine)
  
• Francis Bacon (developed the Scientific Method)
  
• Thomas G. Barnes (physicist) [more info]
  
• Robert Boyle (helped develop sciences of chemistry and gas dynamics)
  
• Wernher von Braun (pioneer of rocketry and space exploration)
  
• David Brewster (helped develop science of optical mineralogy)
  
• Arthur V. Chadwick (geologist) [more info]
  
• Melvin Alonzo Cook (physical chemist, Nobel Prize nominee) [more info]
  
• Georges Cuvier (helped develop sciences of comparative anatomy and vertebrate paleontology)
  
• Humphry Davy (helped develop science of thermokinetics)
  
• Donald B. DeYoung (physicist, specializing in solid-state, nuclear science and astronomy) [more info]
  
• Henri Fabre (helped develop science of insect entomology)
  
• Michael Faraday (helped develop science of electromagnetics / developed the Field Theory / invented the electric generator)
  
• Danny R. Faulkner (astronomer) [more info]
  
• Ambrose Fleming (helped develop science of electronics / invented thermionic valve)
  
• Robert V. Gentry (physicist and chemist) [more info]
  
• Duane T. Gish (biochemist) [more info]
  
• John Grebe (chemist) [more info]
  
• Joseph Henry (invented the electric motor and the galvanometer / discovered self-induction)
  
• William Herschel (helped develop science of galactic astronomy / discovered double stars / developed the Global Star Catalog)
  
• George F. Howe (botanist) [more info]
  
• D. Russell Humphreys (award-winning physicist) [more info]
  
• James P. Joule (developed reversible thermodynamics)
  
• Johann Kepler (helped develop science of physical astronomy / developed the Ephemeris Tables)
  
• John W. Klotz (geneticist and biologist) [more info]
  
• Leonid Korochkin (geneticist) [more info]
  
• Lane P. Lester (geneticist and biologist) [more info]
  
• Carolus Linnaeus (helped develop sciences of taxonomy and systematic biology / developed the Classification System)
  
• Joseph Lister (helped develop science of antiseptic surgery)
  
• Frank L. Marsh (biologist) [more info]
  
• Matthew Maury (helped develop science of oceanography/hydrography)
  
• James Clerk Maxwell (helped develop the science of electrodynamics)
  
• Gregor Mendel (founded the modern science of genetics)
  
• Samuel F. B. Morse (invented the telegraph)
  
• Isaac Newton (helped develop science of dynamics and the discipline of calculus / father of the Law of Gravity / invented the reflecting telescope)
  
• Gary E. Parker (biologist and paleontologist) [more info]
  
• Blaise Pascal (helped develop science of hydrostatics / invented the barometer)
  
• Louis Pasteur (helped develop science of bacteriology / discovered the Law of Biogenesis / invented fermentation control / developed vaccinations and immunizations)
  
• William Ramsay (helped develop the science of isotopic chemistry / discovered inert gases)
  
• John Ray (helped develop science of biology and natural science)
  
• Lord Rayleigh (helped develop science of dimensional analysis)
  
• Bernhard Riemann (helped develop non-Euclidean geometry)
  
• James Simpson (helped develop the field of gynecology / developed the use of chloroform)
  
• Nicholas Steno (helped develop the science of stratigraphy)
  
• George Stokes (helped develop science of Fluid mechanics)
  
• Charles B. Thaxton (chemist) [more info]
  
• William Thompson (Lord Kelvin) (helped develop sciences of thermodynamics and energetics / invented the Absolute Temperature scale / developed the Trans-Atlantic Cable)
  
• Larry Vardiman (astrophysicist and geophysicist) [more info]
  
• Leonardo da Vinci (helped develop science of hydraulics)
  
• Rudolf Virchow (helped develop science of pathology)
  
• A.J. (Monty) White (chemist) [more info]
  
• A.E. Wilder-Smith (chemist and pharmacology expert) [more info]
  
• John Woodward (helped develop the science of paleontology)
  

Two questions:

1. Ever heard of separation of church and state?

2. Can someone please tell me why the stupid damn Republican Representatives voted against their f'n President and party leader? Dubya appointed Secretary Treasurer Paulson and Fed Chairman Bernanke and again, the Republicans voted against. GREAT JOB.

Plain asked why Democrats don't like Palin so I responded. She is one of the few people that can make Dubya look smart. (Well she and my cousin who thinks Obama is a muslim.)

Edited September 30, 200817 yr by SickNTired

Separation of CHURCH and state, not RELIGION and state. This was written to keep one Church from having control over the government, and to allow people to worship without having government control.

Why is it that "God" is all over our official government documents.?

Perhaps one should look into why the dems proposed that a percentage of money from this bailout to go to ACORN.

Obama on guns

BTW, semi automatic guns are not machine guns

• Ok for states & cities to determine local gun laws. (Apr 2008)
  
• FactCheck: Yes, Obama endorsed Illinois handgun ban. (Apr 2008)
  
• Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok. (Feb 2008)
  
• Keep guns out of inner cities--but also problem of morality. (Oct 2006)
  
• Bush erred in failing to renew assault weapons ban. (Oct 2004)
  
• Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions. (Jul 1998)
  
• Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005)
  

Ok, I am done posting for the night. I get banded in a few hours, so I am going to hop in to my comfy bed while my semi automatic sits in the bedside table.

I don't like raging at women

". . . but in this case, I'll do it. Because being a Feminist means you have to agree with ME, and if you don't agree with ME you're not worthy of being called a woman, your beliefs aren't worthwhile, and you are worthy of being raged at."

Two questions:

1. Ever heard of separation of church and state?

2. Can someone please tell me why the stupid damn Republican Representatives voted against their f'n President and party leader? Dubya appointed Secretary Treasurer Paulson and Fed Chairman Bernanke and again, the Republicans voted against. GREAT JOB.

Plain asked why Democrats don't like Palin so I responded. She is one of the few people that can make Dubya look smart. (Well she and my cousin who thinks Obama is a muslim.)

Hoo Boy! So, according to Eve Ensler, being a feminist isn't so much about empowering women, but empowering women that believe the same way that Eve Ensler does. I mean, if you believe in creationism, you can't be a feminist? If you are pro life you're not feminist? If you don't believe in global warming (or are even on the fence) you cannot be a feminist? Funny how the common denominator of being women goes by the wayside when the politics don't match up. In the article you posted, Ms. Ensler rants about closed minds......well, she has become that which she sought to fight.

Also, Ms. Ensler makes several de facto errors in her article, but I....must....resist.....

Scientists that believe in creation (you do know that creation and evolution can go hand in hand)

• Gerald E. Aardsma (physicist and radiocarbon dating)
  
• Louis Agassiz (helped develop the study of glacial geology and of ichthyology)
  
• Alexander Arndt (analytical chemist, etc.) [more info]
  
• Steven A. Austin (geologist and coal formation expert) [more info]
  
• Charles Babbage (helped develop science of computers / developed actuarial tables and the calculating machine)
  
• Francis Bacon (developed the Scientific Method)
  
• Thomas G. Barnes (physicist) [more info]
  
• Robert Boyle (helped develop sciences of chemistry and gas dynamics)
  
• Wernher von Braun (pioneer of rocketry and space exploration)
  
• David Brewster (helped develop science of optical mineralogy)
  
• Arthur V. Chadwick (geologist) [more info]
  
• Melvin Alonzo Cook (physical chemist, Nobel Prize nominee) [more info]
  
• Georges Cuvier (helped develop sciences of comparative anatomy and vertebrate paleontology)
  
• Humphry Davy (helped develop science of thermokinetics)
  
• Donald B. DeYoung (physicist, specializing in solid-state, nuclear science and astronomy) [more info]
  
• Henri Fabre (helped develop science of insect entomology)
  
• Michael Faraday (helped develop science of electromagnetics / developed the Field Theory / invented the electric generator)
  
• Danny R. Faulkner (astronomer) [more info]
  
• Ambrose Fleming (helped develop science of electronics / invented thermionic valve)
  
• Robert V. Gentry (physicist and chemist) [more info]
  
• Duane T. Gish (biochemist) [more info]
  
• John Grebe (chemist) [more info]
  
• Joseph Henry (invented the electric motor and the galvanometer / discovered self-induction)
  
• William Herschel (helped develop science of galactic astronomy / discovered double stars / developed the Global Star Catalog)
  
• George F. Howe (botanist) [more info]
  
• D. Russell Humphreys (award-winning physicist) [more info]
  
• James P. Joule (developed reversible thermodynamics)
  
• Johann Kepler (helped develop science of physical astronomy / developed the Ephemeris Tables)
  
• John W. Klotz (geneticist and biologist) [more info]
  
• Leonid Korochkin (geneticist) [more info]
  
• Lane P. Lester (geneticist and biologist) [more info]
  
• Carolus Linnaeus (helped develop sciences of taxonomy and systematic biology / developed the Classification System)
  
• Joseph Lister (helped develop science of antiseptic surgery)
  
• Frank L. Marsh (biologist) [more info]
  
• Matthew Maury (helped develop science of oceanography/hydrography)
  
• James Clerk Maxwell (helped develop the science of electrodynamics)
  
• Gregor Mendel (founded the modern science of genetics)
  
• Samuel F. B. Morse (invented the telegraph)
  
• Isaac Newton (helped develop science of dynamics and the discipline of calculus / father of the Law of Gravity / invented the reflecting telescope)
  
• Gary E. Parker (biologist and paleontologist) [more info]
  
• Blaise Pascal (helped develop science of hydrostatics / invented the barometer)
  
• Louis Pasteur (helped develop science of bacteriology / discovered the Law of Biogenesis / invented fermentation control / developed vaccinations and immunizations)
  
• William Ramsay (helped develop the science of isotopic chemistry / discovered inert gases)
  
• John Ray (helped develop science of biology and natural science)
  
• Lord Rayleigh (helped develop science of dimensional analysis)
  
• Bernhard Riemann (helped develop non-Euclidean geometry)
  
• James Simpson (helped develop the field of gynecology / developed the use of chloroform)
  
• Nicholas Steno (helped develop the science of stratigraphy)
  
• George Stokes (helped develop science of fluid mechanics)
  
• Charles B. Thaxton (chemist) [more info]
  
• William Thompson (Lord Kelvin) (helped develop sciences of thermodynamics and energetics / invented the Absolute Temperature Scale / developed the Trans-Atlantic Cable)
  
• Larry Vardiman (astrophysicist and geophysicist) [more info]
  
• Leonardo da Vinci (helped develop science of hydraulics)
  
• Rudolf Virchow (helped develop science of pathology)
  
• A.J. (Monty) White (chemist) [more info]
  
• A.E. Wilder-Smith (chemist and pharmacology expert) [more info]
  
• John Woodward (helped develop the science of paleontology)
  

Most of the eminent scientists cited in this list were alive and doing their work during previous centuries. A great many of them were Victorians. What these individuals would believe if they were alive now might be very different. As it happens, they had the beliefs common to their times. This list does not make for a compelling argument for Creationism.

I love you, Green!!

For the record, I personally am not for socialized medicine. My beloved Tennessee tried a state healthcare system that, of course, failed miserably. The US is entirely too big to be able to handle the fraud associated with a program like this. I do feel, however, that the healthcare system is an absolute mess and I have no idea how we can get it out of the spiral.

Why can women not dislike another woman with whom they have NOTHING in common? Sarah Palin no more represents my views as a woman than does Lassie.

Edited October 1, 200817 yr by SickNTired
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Why can women not dislike another woman with whom they have NOTHING in common?

She's welcome to disagree with her. But to say she isn't (and can't be) a feminist because of what she believes in is ludicrous. Feminists don't have the lockhold on one ideology to the exclusion of all others. She's speaking as a liberal, not a feminist, but that's not how she writes it.

Most of the eminent scientists cited in this list were alive and doing their work during previous centuries. A great many of them were Victorians. What these individuals would believe if they were alive now might be very different. As it happens, they had the beliefs common to their times. This list does not make for a compelling argument for Creationism.

While there are plenty of currently living scientists who believe in Creation and didn't make this list, that's not the point. Science isn't about how big your list of supporters is. It's about what's true. And mainstream science isn't always right. Science is about testing your hypotheses and theories and determining which ones have validity. The big problem with those who promote Evolution Theory to the exclusion of all else is that they refuse to question their theory. And there are problems with evolution. The rejection of the theory doesn't necessarily require adherence to Intelligent Design or Creation Theory (there are other potential theories), but to ignore, chastise, and blacklist dissenters isn't a hallmark of science; it's a hallmark of politics.

Green - I'll catch you in other threads. Hope you're feeling well.

Why can women not dislike another woman with whom they have NOTHING in common? Sarah Palin no more represents my views as a woman than does Lassie.

What Gadget said.....Of course you can personally dislike (or even hate) Palin, or her views, or whatever....but I'd think that feminists (a group of people committed to advancing the personal power of women) would welcome that she is in the running for a very powerful position.

I'd liken this to civil rights leaders decrying a black guy that was running for president as a republican.....It's a shame that something as petty as politics has riven a wedge between feminists (or at the very least has exposed a very ugly side of it)

Healthcare....it sucks. I don't know the answer. Socialized healthcare is the worst case scenario of things that could happen here in America.....but I do think that everbody who holds down a fulltime job should have access to affordable health insurance, even if they make minimum wage. If you work, you're a productive citizen, ergo you deserve health insurance (IMO).

There have been a few occurrences in Oregon where a cancer victim with a state-held insurance plan didn't qualify for chemo, but the state did pleasantly inform them that they qualified for assisted suicide. Scary stuff.