Should prostitution be legal?

[plain 12]

Bam, God does do the 'assessing', as you call it, but we are not blind to the error of others around us, even our own errors. We can 'see' when others are wrong and when others are right. (according to God's word)

Right, but there is a big difference between knowing when others are wrong and telling them they are wrong.

This is where I think you got off on the wrong foot on here, Patty. I personally think it is far more powerful to be a positive Christian role model than to condem others in a negative way. Christian to Christian, we both know that God is ultimately who will judge. Who can know the mind of God?

I honestly believe that there is no way any of us can know who won't "make the cut" into Heaven, because we don't have God's wisdom, insight, or mercy. Therefore, for me to tell somebody that they're going to hell, or that they're a "false" Christian is laughable.......that's between them and God. I'll let God handle all that. My business is what's between God and me.

[BethFromVA 5]

Right, but there is a big difference between knowing when others are wrong and telling them they are wrong.

This is where I think you got off on the wrong foot on here, Patty. I personally think it is far more powerful to be a positive Christian role model than to condem others in a negative way. Christian to Christian, we both know that God is ultimately who will judge. Who can know the mind of God?

I honestly believe that there is no way any of us can know who won't "make the cut" into Heaven, because we don't have God's wisdom, insight, or mercy. Therefore, for me to tell somebody that they're going to hell, or that they're a "false" Christian is laughable.......that's between them and God. I'll let God handle all that. My business is what's between God and me.

BRAVO!!!

[losingjusme 12]

Right, but there is a big difference between knowing when others are wrong and telling them they are wrong.

This is where I think you got off on the wrong foot on here, Patty. I personally think it is far more powerful to be a positive Christian role model than to condem others in a negative way. Christian to Christian, we both know that God is ultimately who will judge. Who can know the mind of God?

I honestly believe that there is no way any of us can know who won't "make the cut" into Heaven, because we don't have God's wisdom, insight, or mercy. Therefore, for me to tell somebody that they're going to hell, or that they're a "false" Christian is laughable.......that's between them and God. I'll let God handle all that. My business is what's between God and me.

very well spoken Plain...

[pattygreen 5]

Right, but there is a big difference between knowing when others are wrong and telling them they are wrong.

This is where I think you got off on the wrong foot on here, Patty. I personally think it is far more powerful to be a positive Christian role model than to condem others in a negative way. Christian to Christian, we both know that God is ultimately who will judge. Who can know the mind of God?

I honestly believe that there is no way any of us can know who won't "make the cut" into Heaven, because we don't have God's wisdom, insight, or mercy. Therefore, for me to tell somebody that they're going to hell, or that they're a "false" Christian is laughable.......that's between them and God. I'll let God handle all that. My business is what's between God and me.

Show me ONE post where I EVER condemned someone to HELL? Never! I may say that this or that is a sin in Gods eyes, or God considers this or that wrong, but NEVER had I said someone is going to Hell. I never said that someone was a False christian either. As a matter of fact in my posts I have said many times that God knows each mans heart.

[pattygreen 5]

Also, pointing out whether something is right or wrong to others is NOT unchristianlike. When you are in a discussion about whether some action (prostitution in this case) should be acceptable or not, there is nothing unchristianlike about telling those who want to discuss it what God feels about it. If I were, say, at the store and started talking with a stranger who was a prostitute, or jumped in a conversation with someone who was talking about prostitutes, I certainly wouldn't come out with, "Hey, You are sinning!" or "Hey, That's wrong!" Now that would be unchristianlike. I wouldn't even bring up the 'sin' issue to the conversation, but this is a clear debate on the subject and what each person thinks about legalizing it and why we feel that way. Thus why I feel free to openly say what I feel.

I certainly understand about how being an 'example' and a 'rolemodel' to others works. And in my home life, and in my community I try my best to be what God wants me to be. (and I mean that)

Edited January 28, 2009 by pattygreen

[bambam31 168]

Right, but there is a big difference between knowing when others are wrong and telling them they are wrong.

This is where I think you got off on the wrong foot on here, Patty. I personally think it is far more powerful to be a positive Christian role model than to condem others in a negative way. Christian to Christian, we both know that God is ultimately who will judge. Who can know the mind of God?

I honestly believe that there is no way any of us can know who won't "make the cut" into Heaven, because we don't have God's wisdom, insight, or mercy. Therefore, for me to tell somebody that they're going to hell, or that they're a "false" Christian is laughable.......that's between them and God. I'll let God handle all that. My business is what's between God and me.

Ditto Bravo! :cursing: Although someone on here will probably condemn you because you're letting satan and the naysayers stifle your open worship of God and all you believe!

Edited January 28, 2009 by bambam31

[bambam31 168]

Show me ONE post where I EVER condemned someone to HELL? Never! I may say that this or that is a sin in Gods eyes, or God considers this or that wrong, but NEVER had I said someone is going to Hell. I never said that someone was a False christian either. As a matter of fact in my posts I have said many times that God knows each mans heart.

Patty... You need to go for a walk and get some fresh air or something. Perhaps you had an out of body experience and left some parts somewhere, I don't know. But you are splitting the finest hairs there are to split. When you post something like this....

"Not everyone who says to me 'Lord, Lord' will enter the kindom of Heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in Heaven.(Matthew 7:21) Those 'religious' christians who mistreated your ancestors for whatever reason, were not true, practicing, God fearing christians. They were in name only.

...and then claim you aren't casting judgment or sending them to hell... or calling them false Christians... well... you need to come in out of the fog...

Brad

[BethFromVA 5]

Patty... You need to go for a walk and get some fresh air or something. Perhaps you had an out of body experience and left some parts somewhere, I don't know. But you are splitting the finest hairs there are to split. When you post something like this....

"Not everyone who says to me 'Lord, Lord' will enter the kindom of Heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in Heaven. (Matthew 7:21) Those 'religious' christians who mistreated your ancestors for whatever reason, were not true, practicing, God fearing christians. They were in name only.

...and then claim you aren't casting judgment or sending them to hell... or calling them false Christians... well... you need to come in out of the fog...

Brad

Heck, I thought she was talking about herself. :cursing:

[bambam31 168]

Heck, I thought she was talking about herself. :tongue:

I do believe you're correct! I just hate it when I misinterpret posts like that! :cursing:

Brad

[Carrie_C 9]

Hey, did we run WASA off? It was just getting good!!

[plain 12]

I don't think anybody could run Wasa off :bored:

[pattygreen 5]

Patty... You need to go for a walk and get some fresh air or something. Perhaps you had an out of body experience and left some parts somewhere, I don't know. But you are splitting the finest hairs there are to split. When you post something like this....

"Not everyone who says to me 'Lord, Lord' will enter the kindom of Heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in Heaven.(Matthew 7:21) Those 'religious' christians who mistreated your ancestors for whatever reason, were not true, practicing, God fearing christians. They were in name only.

...and then claim you aren't casting judgment or sending them to hell... or calling them false Christians... well... you need to come in out of the fog...

Brad

Brad, It is sad that so much of the world equates what the traditional churches stand for with biblical christianity. Hundreds of millions are deceived into thinking they are one and the same. Religion is mans self righteous effort to reach God. In Christ, God reached down to man. History has shown that the greatest enemy to man is organized religion. (yes, even christian denominations) When Jesus said "not everyone who says to me Lord, Lord will enter into heaven." He was speaking of 'organized religion'. Jesus was murdered by those who professed to love God. (the 'religious' people) Throughout the book of Acts, the established religious leaders opposed the early christians. No doubt such will be the case at the end of this age as well. When I said "those who mistreated your ancestors were not 'true' christians, and that they were in name only, I meant that they were just like all other religious people (religions) out there.

Speaking on who will go to Heaven, The second half of what Jesus said is "only he who does the will of my Father who is in Heaven." What is the will of his Father? Mainly to have faith in his son Jesus to get them from here to there. We can not do it of ourselves. This leads me to conclude that all those who do not have faith in Him will not see Heaven. (I know that seems hard for you to take, but it is biblical, and I believe it.)

Edited January 29, 2009 by pattygreen

[BJean 16]

So patty, you claim that all you have to do to get into heaven is to "have faith" in God? If so, what words would you use to define "having faith"? What does "having faith" consist of exactly?

Also, you say that the greatest enemy to man is organized religion. You said, "When I said those who mistreated your ancestors were not 'true' christians, and that they were in name only, I meant that they were just like all other religious people (religions) out there."

And yet you said that you are involved in organized religion. How exactly did you choose which religion to be involved with? How does one determine how to pass your test for choosing a church to go to? Since you seem to have peculiar knowledge about all religions, it would behoove us to check with you before we affiliate ourselves with an organized religion. Is that correct?

[BethFromVA 5]

How exactly did you choose which religion to be involved with? How does one determine how to pass your test for choosing a church to go to?

Well, they have to be exceptionally judgmental, tell you that YOU are above all others, and preach hellfire and damnation against prostitutes.

[pattygreen 5]

So patty, you claim that all you have to do to get into heaven is to "have faith" in God? If so, what words would you use to define "having faith"? What does "having faith" consist of exactly?

Also, you say that the greatest enemy to man is organized religion. You said, "When I said those who mistreated your ancestors were not 'true' christians, and that they were in name only, I meant that they were just like all other religious people (religions) out there."

And yet you said that you are involved in organized religion. How exactly did you choose which religion to be involved with? How does one determine how to pass your test for choosing a church to go to? Since you seem to have peculiar knowledge about all religions, it would behoove us to check with you before we affiliate ourselves with an organized religion. Is that correct?

Does space have an end? If it does-- that is, if there is a block wall at the end of space that says "The End", then I want to know what's behind it. By faith, you and I are forced to believe that no matter what direction we set off toward, space will never end. It just goes on and on and on--forever. It has no beginning or ending. It 'hurts' the brain to think about it, but we have no choice but to accept that fact by 'faith'. God also has no beginning and no end. We must accept that fact by 'faith'. But with God we have a little more information. Time is a demension God has created and He has subjected man to its perimeters. We have to wait for time to pass. Because we are in time, logic, reason, and rationalism demand a 'beginning' and an 'end'. God is not subject to the dimension of time. He dwells in eternity. The bible tells us that a day to the Lord is like a thousand years to us. The christian understands by 'faith'. We believe in a creator even though our human eyes can't 'see' Him. The existance of God is an axiom. (a self evident truth, like parallel lines never meet is an axiom.) For things to be 'made' ,logic, reason, intellect and rationalism demand that there be a maker. Your philosophy may be 'seeing is believing'. If that is so, the next time you see Water shimmering on a hot road, stop for a drink. Or the next time you gaze at a blue sky, tell your eyes they are lying to you. The sky has no color, ask any astronaut. We believe in plenty of things we can not see. For example, right behind you, beside you and in front of you are masses of TV waves. Cowboys, newsreaders, soap operas are flashing before your eyes, but you can't see them.. They are invisible. If I denied their existance because I couldn't see them would that alter the reality of their existance? no. This is faith. Now if you believe that God exists, then you must believe that what he says is true. And what He says is "Believe (have faith) in Jesus, and you will be saved."

Edited January 30, 2009 by pattygreen