Great Article On Low-Carb/high Fat Diets

[mistysj 1,939]

I'm working my way through Good Calories Bad Calories and it just makes me so mad that so much of the public health advice is based on such flawed science! I really want it to be wrong. I want the book to be debunked, discredited by scientists. But it hasn't been. I feel so lied to. I felt the same way the first time I tried to read it. GG, do you get me?

[mistysj 1,939]

Article by Stephen Guyenet rebutting Taubes: http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2011/11/brief-response-to-taubess-food-rewad.html

Taubes confronts Guyenet at a meeting afterward: http://www.dietdoctor.com/ahs-showdown-gary-taubes-vs-stephan-guyenet

[Butterthebean 8,146]

I'm working my way through Good Calories Bad Calories and it just makes me so mad that so much of the public health advice is based on such flawed science! I really want it to be wrong. I want the book to be debunked, discredited by scientists. But it hasn't been. I feel so lied to. I felt the same way the first time I tried to read it. GG, do you get me?

I felt the same way after watching the movie "fat head".....which pretty much agrees with Taubes.

Btw.....for those that don't like long heavy books....read "why we get fat" instead. It's pretty much like the cliffs notes to "good calories bad calories." Same author, but an easier read.

Edited December 5, 2013 by Butterthebean

[Butterthebean 8,146]

Ugh. I continually worry about the fact that I can easily hold more than that. I see these threads that say "You should only be able to hold 1/4 cup" and it freaks me out. I can do 1/2 cup easily (not more, but still.)

Oh well. I'd be worried about something regardless.

Just to reassure....my sleeve has always held more than people say. But it never impeded my weight loss apparently. Why? Because even though it will hold 12 oz doesn't mean I have to eat 12oz. I don't pack it full (usually). I weigh and measure, and learn to eat smaller portions. They leave me feeling not hungry, which is the goal....never full.

And 18 months post op.....I still have a Protein Shake most days. I like them. They are my chocolate milk substitute. They are easy and convenient right after a hard workout. They are nutritionally sound. Why some doctors insist we get our Protein "from real food" puzzles me. I know they are encouraging good eating habits, but Protein Shakes are nothing but a healthy protein supplement. Just like a multi Vitamin. With a varied enough diet we wouldn't need a daily vitamin, but no doctor would tell you not to take a multi vitamin would they? No, because they know most people do not have a varied enough diet, so they encourage the supplement. A protein shake can be the same thing....as long as you're not too dependent on them all the time, they are a healthy and convenient nutritional aid.

[Fluffnomore 1,235]

Butter, thank you for the reassurance! This dance of figuring out the mushy/purees and working up to solid food has been challenging. There is such a fine line between dissatisfied and slightly too full and it will take me a while to navigate. Right now it seems that 2-3 oz of Protein + a couple of tablespoons of something else works best. (Usually sweet potatoes or something like it.) So easy to get sidetracked, or eat too fast, or about one thousand other things. It's like learning how to eat all over again. I'd probably do better if I put it all on a tray and played with it like a toddler.

[gamergirl 4,609]

I'm working my way through Good Calories Bad Calories and it just makes me so mad that so much of the public health advice is based on such flawed science! I really want it to be wrong. I want the book to be debunked, discredited by scientists. But it hasn't been. I feel so lied to. I felt the same way the first time I tried to read it. GG, do you get me?

I get you. What really worries me is how they will ever admit they were wrong. Our government basically encouraged us to go on a diet more likely to make us fat, and prematurely dead. How are they going to walk back from that and say, we were wrong. Instead eat this way, the high fat way that we told you would kill you?

It's such an admission of either incompetence or wrong-doing, that I fear they won't do it, just to save face and not lose all credibility with their citizens. And meanwhile people will keep getting fatter.

[Arts137 1,811]

Just got Taubes' books and will start them this evening... I personally KNOW how out of control I get when I eat any simple carbs...

[mistysj 1,939]

Just got Taubes' books and will start them this evening... I personally KNOW how out of control I get when I eat any simple carbs...

Fair warning, GCBC is very long and dense with information.

[NMJG 1,266]

Great article, GG, thanks for posting it. I remember when I was a skinny kid in the 60's, we had full fat milk and I drank a lot of it. I ate fruit and vegs, cheese, and a little meat (I wasn't a big meat eater). I did eat carbs as a kid, but not nearly as much as I did in my later years. My diet changed radically after age 12, however. Very thought provoking.

[Butterthebean 8,146]

Just got Taubes' books and will start them this evening... I personally KNOW how out of control I get when I eat any simple carbs...

Why we get fat is the same book as good calories bad calories. Just easier to read and much shorter. Start with that one.

[Arts137 1,811]

Just got Taubes' books and will start them this evening... I personally KNOW how out of control I get when I eat any simple carbs...

Fair warning, GCBC is very long and dense with information.

The GOOD news is that I am very long (at 6'3" and dense too!

[tonydepalma 19]

One shake for me in 50 grams of Carbs (isopure on Amazon $42 bariatric sites overcharge huge much less protein). i am getting 150 grams a day easy as I eat fish etc. Down 41.5 in 5 weeks slowed some but low carb working. the Nutritionist pushes low fat. i just know better fat is not the enemy carbs are especially for those of us that are highly insulin resistant. My appetite is increasing as it always does when i start my workouts and they have been intense of late. they say extra Protein will slow weight loss because of calories. i don't buy it we shall see. i was reading tonight that the war on fat was totally wrong and how the government made it worse. They have sugary foods on the food Pyramid and they have helped cause Obesity as they helped exasperate the poor same thing. you got to look for the truth. i sure do.

[gamergirl 4,609]

One shake for me in 50 grams of Carbs (isopure on Amazon $42 bariatric sites overcharge huge much less protein). i am getting 150 grams a day easy as I eat fish etc. Down 41.5 in 5 weeks slowed some but low carb working. the Nutritionist pushes low fat. i just know better fat is not the enemy carbs are especially for those of us that are highly insulin resistant. My appetite is increasing as it always does when i start my workouts and they have been intense of late. they say extra Protein will slow weight loss because of calories. i don't buy it we shall see. i was reading tonight that the war on fat was totally wrong and how the government made it worse. They have sugary foods on the food Pyramid and they have helped cause Obesity as they helped exasperate the poor same thing. you got to look for the truth. i sure do.

Tony you will find several of us here who agree with you that fat is not the enemy, rather that some of us have to watch carbs very carefully. Your progress sounds great!

[mistysj 1,939]

I'm almost finished with GCBC finally. It is my goal to finish it in 2013. I feel like I am finally to the good part now and I am in the last 1/3!

[Georgia 2,908]

I, for one, have never included shakes in my WL process. I am lactose intolerant and just could not stomach "pun" them at all without retching. Even the soy Protein added to soy milk. Eck!

Now, that being said, at 3 1/2 years out and in maintenance I found EAS that I mix with a cup of coffee and ice to use sometimes on one of my 5:2 days (fast day 500 cal).

I was able to get my Protein through other things and probably didn't get all I should at times but my bloodwork (except Vit D) was always good.