Someone recently passed this article on to me, which I posted on another board. It was promptly removed. So sad . . .

Frightening News from France

Once again, the real news in France is conveniently

not being reported as it should. To give you an idea

of what's going on in France where there are now

between 5 and 6 million Muslims and about 600,000 Jews,

here is an email that came from a Jew living in

France. Please read! Will the world say nothing - again - as it did in Hitler's time?

"I AM A JEW -- therefore I am forwarding this to

everyone on all my e-mail lists. I will not sit back

and do nothing." Nowhere have the flames of

anti-Semitism burned more furiously than in France:

Lyon, a car was rammed into a synagogue and set

on fire. In Montpellier, the Jewish religious center

was firebombed; so were synagogues in Strasbourg and

Marseilles; so was a Jewish school in Creteil - all recently.

A Jewish sports club in Toulouse was attacked with

Molotov cocktails, and on the statue of Alfred

Dreyfus in Paris, the words "Dirty Jew" were

painted. In Bondy, 15 men beat up members of a

Jewish football team with sticks and metal bars. The

bus that takes Jewish children to school in

Aubervilliers has been attacked three times in the last 14 months.

According to the Police, metropolitan Paris has seen

10 to 12 anti-Jewish incidents PER DAY in the past

30 days. Walls in Jewish neighborhoods have been

defaced with slogans proclaiming "Jews to the gas

chambers" and "Death to the Jews."

A gunman opened fire on a Kosher butcher's shop

(and, of course, the butcher) in Toulouse , France;

a Jewish couple in their 20s were beaten up by five

men in Villeurbanne , France . The woman was

pregnant; a Jewish school was broken into and

vandalized in Sarcelles , France . This was just in

the past week.

So I call on you, whether you are a fellow Jew, a

friend, or merely a person with the capacity and

desire to distinguish decency from depravity, to do,

at least, these three simple things:

First, care enough to stay informed. Don't ever let

yourself become deluded into thinking that this is

no t your fight. I remind you of what Pastor

Neimoller said in World War II: "First they came for

the Communists, and I didn't speak up, because I

wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and

I didn't speak up, because I wasn't a Jew. Then they

came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up,

because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me,

and by that time there was no one left to speak up

for me".

Second, boycott France and French products. Only the

Arab countries are more toxically anti-Semitic and,

unlike them, France exports more than just oil and

hatred. So boycott their wines and their perfumes.

Boycott their clothes and their foodstuffs. Boycott

their movies. Definitely boycott their shores. If

we are resolved we can exert amazing pressure and,

whatever else we may know about the French, we most

certainly know that they are like a cobweb in a

hurricane in the face of well directed pressure.

Third, send this along to your family, your friends,

and your co-workers. Think of all of the people of

good conscience that you know and let them know

that you and the people that you care about need

their help. The number one best selling book in

France is "September 11: The Frightening Fraud,"

which argues that no plane ever hit the Pentagon."

That's a bit tough to read through, but is your conclusion is that fanaticism and fundamentalism are the same?

That's a bit tough to read through, but is your conclusion is that fanaticism and fundamentalism are the same?

A fundamentalist is a fanatic about religion.

So fundamentalism is the religious segment of fanaticism.

Another way to look at it is you can be a fanatic about anything, but a fundamentalist is a fanatic about religion.

Which is why some of us who do not believe in the Bible as a literal record of God's words, and do not believe that the Bible PROVES that the Bible is written by God, are so uncomfortable with the views of someone who insists that his belief of those things is the only TRUTH and that those who do not share his beliefs are going to hell - 100% of them.

Which is why some of us who do not believe in the Bible as a literal record of God's words, and do not believe that the Bible PROVES that the Bible is written by God, are so uncomfortable with the views of someone who insists that his belief of those things is the only TRUTH and that those who do not share his beliefs are going to hell - 100% of them.

Don't you believe your beliefs are true?

Why are you uncomfortable with it if you disagree with it? I'm not uncomfortable with athiests who say when they die all they do is rot -- and that I will, too. I just don't agree with them.

A fundamentalist is a fanatic about religion.

So fundamentalism is the religious segment of fanaticism.

Another way to look at it is you can be a fanatic about anything, but a fundamentalist is a fanatic about religion.

Which is precisely what I was saying to Alexandra and laurend. I am a fundamentalist Christian. And you put me on par with a fanatical Muslim, who we also know most would equate with terrorists. And you wonder why I don't much care for the box you put me in?

My beliefs are my BELIEFS. Of course I believe them. I'm not uncomfortable with my beliefs or anyone else's. I'm uncomfortable with someone who says that their beliefs are the only truth in the entire world and that everyone in the entire world who does not believe in their "truth" is going to hell and is a (insert his insulting words here.) I understand why he believes as he does. I am uncomfortable with his demeanor and his insistence on his hell and damnation of others. How many ways to I have to explain it? Why don't you understand what I'm really saying, not what you decide that I mean?

I haven't heard one person here, who has said that they are an atheist, say that they believe that you specifically are going to rot when you die because you are not an atheist. I have read that they believe that there is no heaven. I have read that they believe that they are going to just die, period. They didn't drag you into to it. They have their atheist beliefs, they don't expect you to. Or even care that you believe as you do.

Fundamentalist Christians have been referred to as fanatics by people throughout my entire life. That is not something new. No one here made it up for the sake of argument. You've been pushing the point, and someone decided to let you know how the dictonery defines those words.

A fanatic Christian is one thing. A fanatic Muslim is another. I would be very careful about saying that they are the same. A fanatic is a fanatic, but a Christian is not a Muslim, or vice versa.

I also doubt they'll speak up.

Real life called and I had to leave the keyboard.

IMO religious fundamentalists and religious fantics are not the same thing. I'm not saying "they're not the same". But I hold a distinction between the two. And I think that what I see as "fanaticism" the fanatic probably sees as fundamentalism. I think the media coverage of 9/11 caused a lot of confusion. It was one of the first times these terms were used in an everyday kind of way, and "religious fundamentalists" was used to describe the terrorists, rather than "religious fanatics". And let's face it - most of what most people know about anything "middle east" has come from the media since 9/11. I mean - when a grown and professional man says to me, "I don't know why everyone is so worried about Islam, you can't even find it on the map so it can't be THAT big..." - and it's not the first time I've heard something like that, it's not hard to put together. But that's specific to 9/11, and I should have kept things more broad... I just think that 9/11 and the events since have formed too many people's "understanding" of what these terms mean... and people have not really thought about it themselves.

As for not calling out another atheist on their tone - outside of what I do as a moderator, I'm very "to each their own". It would take a lot for me to step in as a user. I can only remember stepping in as a user once, and actually - come to think of it - it was stepping in response to something an atheist posted, but not on the topic of religion. Atheism had nothing to do with it. It was all about a comment made by someone who happened to be an atheist, pure coincidence.

And as for the silence speaking for itself, I was shopping, about an hour and a half away from my keyboard. So let my silence say "I really needed some new shoes!" (And got some really cute ones!)

Which is precisely what I was saying to Alexandra and laurend. I am a fundamentalist Christian. And you put me on par with a fanatical Muslim, who we also know most would equate with terrorists. And you wonder why I don't much care for the box you put me in?

I can understand you concern. Though I have debated issues with you in this thread and others, I believe we have kept to the topic rather than personalities.

Maybe the dictionary definitions do not take into account the connotative definitions. Maybe they miss the falsehoods of some of the leaders of the fundamentalists groups.

Let me try to explain.

Both Christian fundamentalists and Muslim fundamentalists believe their holy book is the only holy book.

Both Christian fundamentalists and Muslim fundamentalists believe their holy book should be the basis for the laws of their land.

Both Christian fundamentalists and Muslim fundamentalists believe their holy book should govern dress and morals.

What separates the Christian fundamentalists and Muslim fundamentalists from Christian terrorists and Muslim terrorists is the part that needs the explanation.

Muslim terrorists are easy to explain when the person doing the explaining is a Christian and the person listening in a Christian. Muslim terrorists blow things up, cut off people's heads, shoot people and torture people, etc.

But Muslim terrorists commit suicide when they do many of those things. Either they blow themselves up or they fight against a military so superior to them, that they are killed in a ration of 20 to one (which is not that much different than suicide).

Now what is a Christian terrorist? Christian terrorists are not easy to explain when the person doing the explaining is a Christian and the person listening in a Christian. But, when that superior military is superior because of the weaponry to such a point that the leader of the Christian nation doesn't even try to negotiate, but backs the Muslim into a corner, many see that as Christian terrorism.

China does terrible things to its people. I do not hear George BuSh threatening China. China has WMD. I do not hear George BuSh threatening China.

Was "Shock and Awe" a form of terrorism?

Were people decapitated during the bombing of Baghdad?

Did the citizens of Baghdad have any more ability to stop the actions of the administration in control of Iraq than the citizens of NY had to stop the administration in Washington DC from continuing its policies? No. They had even less.

Maybe not everyone of our military personal is a Christian, but they are seen as coming from a Christian country. Heck, we keep saying we are. But when we support the killing of people on "the other side" then we are being fanatics about war. When we don't look past what our leaders, who have a vested interest in war say, we are part of the problem.

When religious leaders like Jerry Falwell use the power of the pulpit to promote the most diabolical killing machine of all time (Ronald Reagan's MX missile system), that is being a Christian Fundamentalist terrorist. (It was not like the USA could not already destroy the world 100 times over before they built the MX missile.)

Many of us do it without being aware of what we are doing, because people who we trust, our ministers and elected officials, tell us that it is right. Some of then even find quotes to use from the Bible, just like Hitler, Jefferson Davis and many other scary characters have done.

No, gadgetlady, I do not think you are a bad person. I just think that it is too easy to be swayed by the people who we are supposed to look up to, but are actually evil at heart.

I don't think you are a Christian Fundamentalist terrorist, even if you take their side quite often.

Actually, Wheetsin, I wouldn't have thought you equated fundamentalist and fanatic. So your silence wasn't even noticed by me :-)

I don't think you are a Christian Fundamentalist terrorist, even if you take their side quite often.

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Why don't you understand what I'm really saying, not what you decide that I mean?

I do understand what you're saying. What I was asking about was your reasoning.

I haven't heard one person here, who has said that they are an atheist, say that they believe that you specifically are going to rot when you die because you are not an atheist.

LOL! That's really funny, when you think about it. They just believe I'm going to rot when I die.

:pound: :pound: LOL, what's another slap in the scheme of things huh? lol..This whole thread is really hilarious and cheap entertainment. Almost like the 3 stooges.. Turn the other cheek, girlfriend. Take another hit for the Christian Fundamentalist terrorist faction. oyvey..:rambo :rambo :rambo

leatha_g, have I said lately that I love your posts? Because I do. I had no intention of commenting other than the emoticons. I think the statement speaks for itself.