Someone recently passed this article on to me, which I posted on another board. It was promptly removed. So sad . . .

Frightening News from France

Once again, the real news in France is conveniently

not being reported as it should. To give you an idea

of what's going on in France where there are now

between 5 and 6 million Muslims and about 600,000 Jews,

here is an email that came from a Jew living in

France. Please read! Will the world say nothing - again - as it did in Hitler's time?

"I AM A JEW -- therefore I am forwarding this to

everyone on all my e-mail lists. I will not sit back

and do nothing." Nowhere have the flames of

anti-Semitism burned more furiously than in France:

Lyon, a car was rammed into a synagogue and set

on fire. In Montpellier, the Jewish religious center

was firebombed; so were synagogues in Strasbourg and

Marseilles; so was a Jewish school in Creteil - all recently.

A Jewish sports club in Toulouse was attacked with

Molotov cocktails, and on the statue of Alfred

Dreyfus in Paris, the words "Dirty Jew" were

painted. In Bondy, 15 men beat up members of a

Jewish football team with sticks and metal bars. The

bus that takes Jewish children to school in

Aubervilliers has been attacked three times in the last 14 months.

According to the Police, metropolitan Paris has seen

10 to 12 anti-Jewish incidents PER DAY in the past

30 days. Walls in Jewish neighborhoods have been

defaced with slogans proclaiming "Jews to the gas

chambers" and "Death to the Jews."

A gunman opened fire on a Kosher butcher's shop

(and, of course, the butcher) in Toulouse , France;

a Jewish couple in their 20s were beaten up by five

men in Villeurbanne , France . The woman was

pregnant; a Jewish school was broken into and

vandalized in Sarcelles , France . This was just in

the past week.

So I call on you, whether you are a fellow Jew, a

friend, or merely a person with the capacity and

desire to distinguish decency from depravity, to do,

at least, these three simple things:

First, care enough to stay informed. Don't ever let

yourself become deluded into thinking that this is

no t your fight. I remind you of what Pastor

Neimoller said in World War II: "First they came for

the Communists, and I didn't speak up, because I

wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and

I didn't speak up, because I wasn't a Jew. Then they

came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up,

because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me,

and by that time there was no one left to speak up

for me".

Second, boycott France and French products. Only the

Arab countries are more toxically anti-Semitic and,

unlike them, France exports more than just oil and

hatred. So boycott their wines and their perfumes.

Boycott their clothes and their foodstuffs. Boycott

their movies. Definitely boycott their shores. If

we are resolved we can exert amazing pressure and,

whatever else we may know about the French, we most

certainly know that they are like a cobweb in a

hurricane in the face of well directed pressure.

Third, send this along to your family, your friends,

and your co-workers. Think of all of the people of

good conscience that you know and let them know

that you and the people that you care about need

their help. The number one best selling book in

France is "September 11: The Frightening Fraud,"

which argues that no plane ever hit the Pentagon."

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

I love how Fox News calls them homicide bombings. Which really is much more accurate. I never knew they weren't considered a Crime Against Humanity or a War Crime. Darned sure should be.

I never knew they weren't considered a Crime Against Humanity or a War Crime. Darned sure should be.

I am sure if they were ordered by a head of state, they would be.

I am sure if they were ordered by a head of state, they would be.

Is that the criterion? I don't know. I've never studied it.

Is that the criterion? I don't know. I've never studied it.

I have no idea if it is or not, but I think it makes sense. If you think about it, if one guy goes off the deep end during war and kills 40 people, it isn't really considered a war crime. On the other hand, if a commanding officer orders the attack, it would be.

Another thing to think about is the Geneva Convention, if suicide attacks are considered war crimes. If you call a suicide attack a war crime, it implies that you are in an organized war. Therefore, you have a specified enemy. If you have a specified enemy, shouldn't they be protected by the Geneva Convention? I really think that might be one reason why our administration isn't calling suicide attacks "war crimes". I think that if they do start calling them that, they'll have to answer some hard questions about their own conduct in the war.

I was asleep. Old people do that a lot. I'll probably be asleep again in a few minutes.

I was at the Bellagio in Las Vegas last week, too. But I was too busy in the casino and spa--mostly the spa--to bother watching weirdos on the strip. However, most people don't realize that until very recently, Las Vegas was a Mormon town and that--except for the strip--the Mormon-flavor of Christianity was predominant in Clark County. I haven't lived there in about fifteen years, but Las Vegas, except for the strip, really had little to do with being Sin City. It was a very decent small town kind of place.

Now, here's what I wonder about...going back to the first page...Ron has been here at LBT for two weeks. (and racked up over 250 posts, almost NONE of them having to do with the band or losing weight or any of THAT stuff.) Anyway, he is here--or so it says--at the invitation of "tomorrowsdream," whom he calls "Dee."

As coincidences go, there's a tomorrowsdream at OH, who also signs stuff as "Dee," except that THAT tomorrowsdream has the same face as Dody who--I thought--was permanently banned from here. At least the name Dody is not still active here. So who is Dee/tomorrowsdream and who, exactly, is having all the fun on this thread?

This place can get confusing...

Oh, I agree! In Christianity, I don't think anyone should believe because of blind faith, but should question and investigate to form a belief. Is that waht you mean about "wrestling"!

That's exactly what I mean with wrestling.

You are taking things I said and quoted from the Bible out of context and in a way I never meant them. Nevertheless, and not to belabor the point, if this is how things were taken, I deeply apoligize to everyone. I may have said some things in an inapproiate way while being the brunt of mockery and name calling myself, but should have shown more restraint and not have responded in that same manner.

I have never said or implyed that I know more about Christianity that anyone else. Can we put the "bad blood" behind us and consider honest discussion please?

Okay...

When this thread first started, you implied that atheists were ignorant and uneducated. That isn't respect. And to be honest, your responses to people challenging you over it came across as mocking.

You've told some of the Christians here that they didn't know what they were talking about and that they weren't good Christians.

You've called us desparate and vultures, you've implied that no one knows as much as you about Christianity and its values, you've used patronizing language, you've called people dishonest, you've called others "spiritually blind", you've implied that atheists are as bad as thieves, liars, murderers, and bigots, you've compared us to Sodomites, you've compared us to roaches (crawling out of the woodwork). Shall I continue?

With evangelical christianity the two become one because part of the tenents of our faith is that we need to share it with others. We do that by sharing the biblical truths that we believe. Apparently, sharing what I believe, and sharing it to be untimate truth, which I believe it to be, is what everyone gets upset about.

To expect me to keep my faith to myself is to ask me to not practice my faith.

Ron, honestly, I really don't think its you sharing what you believe to be the 'ultimate truth' that gets to some - including me - its your abrasive, imperative tone. (by imperative, I mean the statements with exclamation points...)

A fanatic Christian is one thing. A fanatic Muslim is another. I would be very careful about saying that they are the same. A fanatic is a fanatic, but a Christian is not a Muslim, or vice versa.

See, in my experience, fanatic Christians, Jews and Muslims are all fundamentalist, but not all fundamentalists are fanatics - to say that a muslim fanatic is different that a christian one is disingenuous - and what causes so much of the problem that we have here in North America with the Muslim world today. WE just don't get it.

As for suicide bombing being considered a war crime - the Geneva COnventions don't SPECIFICALLY address suicide bombers - the problem is that they usually occur outside the scope of a formal war. You have to look at the times in which the Conventions were written - these things just were so far outside the scope and experience of the authors that it wasn't even a though - kinda like flying a plane into a building on purpose was outside of almost everyone's imagination. Also, the Conventions don't get amended very often...

An aside to all - I apologize for posting a bunch of things at a time - I have a three year old and a cranky hubby who need and deserve my attention when I am at home, so I had to sign out last night and sign back in this morning between work calls...lol

I fully accept the right of anyone here to believe or not believe anything they want. I have said that repeatedly, but no one is hearing it. I believe that what I believe is 100% absolute and correct, but I recognize others here do not believe that. I can accept that.

If you have said it over and over, and no one is hearing it, maybe the problem is in how you are communicating, not in the audience? After all, there are both Christians and non-Christians not "hearing it".

So if you can mock fundamentalists and compare them to Taliban, is it OK if I were to mock athiests and compare them to Hitler? Is that acceptable to you??

Well, I'm not sure what the commonality would be, since Hitler claimed to be a Christian.

Thank you, laurend, for being honest. I mean that very sincerely and I have always found that to be true of you. My suspicion was that no one called Sue on it because they secretly liked what she was saying, and you've been brave enough to confirm that suspicion.

 

Let me clarify a bit. I don't exactly like what Sue is saying. But I understand why she is saying it and I think Ron provoked it.