Someone recently passed this article on to me, which I posted on another board. It was promptly removed. So sad . . .

Frightening News from France

Once again, the real news in France is conveniently

not being reported as it should. To give you an idea

of what's going on in France where there are now

between 5 and 6 million Muslims and about 600,000 Jews,

here is an email that came from a Jew living in

France. Please read! Will the world say nothing - again - as it did in Hitler's time?

"I AM A JEW -- therefore I am forwarding this to

everyone on all my e-mail lists. I will not sit back

and do nothing." Nowhere have the flames of

anti-Semitism burned more furiously than in France:

Lyon, a car was rammed into a synagogue and set

on fire. In Montpellier, the Jewish religious center

was firebombed; so were synagogues in Strasbourg and

Marseilles; so was a Jewish school in Creteil - all recently.

A Jewish sports club in Toulouse was attacked with

Molotov cocktails, and on the statue of Alfred

Dreyfus in Paris, the words "Dirty Jew" were

painted. In Bondy, 15 men beat up members of a

Jewish football team with sticks and metal bars. The

bus that takes Jewish children to school in

Aubervilliers has been attacked three times in the last 14 months.

According to the Police, metropolitan Paris has seen

10 to 12 anti-Jewish incidents PER DAY in the past

30 days. Walls in Jewish neighborhoods have been

defaced with slogans proclaiming "Jews to the gas

chambers" and "Death to the Jews."

A gunman opened fire on a Kosher butcher's shop

(and, of course, the butcher) in Toulouse , France;

a Jewish couple in their 20s were beaten up by five

men in Villeurbanne , France . The woman was

pregnant; a Jewish school was broken into and

vandalized in Sarcelles , France . This was just in

the past week.

So I call on you, whether you are a fellow Jew, a

friend, or merely a person with the capacity and

desire to distinguish decency from depravity, to do,

at least, these three simple things:

First, care enough to stay informed. Don't ever let

yourself become deluded into thinking that this is

no t your fight. I remind you of what Pastor

Neimoller said in World War II: "First they came for

the Communists, and I didn't speak up, because I

wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and

I didn't speak up, because I wasn't a Jew. Then they

came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up,

because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me,

and by that time there was no one left to speak up

for me".

Second, boycott France and French products. Only the

Arab countries are more toxically anti-Semitic and,

unlike them, France exports more than just oil and

hatred. So boycott their wines and their perfumes.

Boycott their clothes and their foodstuffs. Boycott

their movies. Definitely boycott their shores. If

we are resolved we can exert amazing pressure and,

whatever else we may know about the French, we most

certainly know that they are like a cobweb in a

hurricane in the face of well directed pressure.

Third, send this along to your family, your friends,

and your co-workers. Think of all of the people of

good conscience that you know and let them know

that you and the people that you care about need

their help. The number one best selling book in

France is "September 11: The Frightening Fraud,"

which argues that no plane ever hit the Pentagon."

TOM: The thing is, until I choose to tell you what I mean, you can't PROVE what I mean, one way or the other, now can you?

You can't even prove that it was BJean that was writing it. It might be BJean's DH telling you that BJean loves you. BJean's DH might have chosen to develop a ministry on BJean's behalf, to gather more adoration for BJean since he thinks that is what BJean wants and he loves BJean so much. He knows that making BJean happy is very important because if BJean isn't happy, she can make DH's life a living h----.

Like all women can!!

TOM: Well yes. Think we should start a new thread on that topic?

Scene #1:

Ron, TOM, gadgetlady Lisah25, Bjean, Green, GeezerSue, leatha_G, TommyO, ousooner, TruBlueSue, and all the other's who have posted to this thread all meet up in Heaven one day.

They greet each other with hugs and kisses (where appropriate) and talk about this thread and how it made them learn more about human nature, and the nature of God and religion, which may be the same thing (come to think of it). They all realize that though they argued tooth and nail, there were genuine relationships forged.

God and Jesus (at his right hand) walk by and are pleased at their endeavor. “See, Father, Adam and Eve might have broken your heart, but these LBT members have filled it with joy, but you already knew that would happen.”

Scene #2:

Ron, TOM, gadgetlady Lisah25, Bjean, Green, GeezerSue, leatha_G, TommyO, ousooner, TruBlueSue, and all the other's who have posted to this thread all meet up in Heaven one day.

They immediately rekindle this thread and a “knock down, drag out” verbal battle ensues, becoming so loud that God and Jesus (at his right hand) have to walk by to referee the battle. When they fail, Jesus issues a degree, “He (or she) who continues this battle shall be sent to join Satan. I gave you guys a break after that LBT melee, but enough is enough.”

As God and Jesus (at his right hand) walk away, a snicker and “I told you so” is heard.

Jesus spins on his heel and says, “No. I told you so” and the LBT crowd is not so crowded anymore.

Epilogue:

Which of these two scenes would you put your money on?:faint:

OK, now I'm totally with BJean on her opinion of you. Sorry about the skillet you'll get for that... :biggrin1:

Can I take this to mean it's okay to take this thread from Anti Semitism in France, to a debate over Atheism vs Christianity, but not to the literalness of the Bible?

How in the world did you get that?

I took it to mean that starting a seperate thread might get more responses.

We need Carlene on this thread.

lisa25: Thank you dahling. I'm quite fond of you as well as Tom.

Carlene would have fun here.

Did everyone read Green's little "essay" on how this type of discussion benefits those who participate, whether they come to an agreement or not?

I think we've come a long way from the beginning premise of this thread and I for one, have learned a few things while I've participated. I hope everyone else has a good feeling about their involvement here.

Entering into a dialogue with the intention of sharing ideas, beliefs, hypotheses - one thing. Entering into it with the intention of walking out "right" or having changed someone's mind on something - entirely different outcome. When the conversation is, "Here's what I think" - I'm golden. When the conversation is "You're wrong because here's what I think" - you say OK and walk away.

Green is a superstar.

Wheetsin: Sorry I left you off the list in my two scenerios.

I'll take an honorable mention over the spotlight any old day of the week.

Wheetsin: I don't appreciate anyone saying that something is absolutely true when everyone knows they have an agenda when saying it.

I must also add that I think you've done a very commendable job of moderating here.

Where is everybody? Did someone start a new thread where they can go to feel all warm and fuzzy together?

hahahaah people gotta eat, even bandsters!!!

Well if it takes this long, they're eating too much. :hungry: :help:

Hi BJean, I am here, just not really posting much on this subject. Debate can be good, but this thread has gone beyond that to be hurtful and harmfull to my veiws. So I sit and lurk and try not to add fuel to the fire.

I had a conference call that actually required 100% of my attention. When does that happen?!? I still have one, fortunately this one only requires about 40%.

Oh now I remember. It happens when I take the day off, and end up having to be on conference calls anyway. Silly Wheetsin.