I am really sick and tired of being lectured on this site...people assuming just because I was fat, that I had an unhealthy relationship with food. Not everyone was like this! Pre op, I never ate to excess because when I was full I would stop eating. (I was on a low calorie lifestyle change and stuck with it for years...I stuck with it so I wouldn't gain weight) Fat people get this stereotype from those on the outside all the time (that we eat a lot)and I finally thought this was a place of non judgement. I am aware many on this site got the way they are because they ate a lot but not everyone. Same goes with exercising: people are lecturing that you have to make sure you exercise daily or else and half of these holier than now lectures haven't seen the inside of a gym until this year. Which isnt a problem because they have chosen to make a change but do not lecture others when you dont know their history. Finally...being lectured about my post op drinks. Everyone is given a list by their drs and are not supposed to stray away from that list. I was told 2oz 3x per day of boost, ensure, atkins, slim fast, etc. I am constantly being told these are not healthy...and being read the nutrition facts..um I have it right in front of me and can read but honestly if my dr says to drink it I will.

How come the guys never have this type of fun' date=' clawing each other to minced meat like the forum girls? I think we would be really bad at it we tried; it would definitely be laughable. Lol. Then we would all get together, break bread, share some beers and call it a night.[/quote']

...because we girls be b*****s (and some people can't take a joke)

My mother and father are and were very overweight and I was an obese kid but that was partly genetics but mostly my fault. I was a foodie. I ate rich lunches and dinners while on business and with my family. My wife and I have traveled extensively and we also enjoyed many a great meal at four and five star restaurants all over the world. Of course a few bottles of wine or champagne were consumed during those meals. We lived off diets of wine , cheese, bread in Madrid, Paris, and Italy. We celebrated our. 20th anniversary with a 23 course meal in Spain and we ate every small course the waiter put in front of me. I gained tons of weight over the years and my wife did not. So did I take in to many calories and eat the wrong foods? The answer is yes I did.

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What one sees as a lecture, another sees as useful information. I tend to work off the assumption that most posts are made in good faith. I know I can't control how others react to my own posts, I can only be true to myself really and can't spend time in angst over whether or not the emotionally vulnerable may find my plain speech challenging.

Seriously, some people just need to take a deep breath before reacting to a strangers views on a free forum.

Weight loss and weight gain is simple. It's calories in vs calories burned...we all know that. Sure, metabolism has some influence on that equation but every human still has a resting basal metabolic rate. Based on age and height/weight and activity level, it's a mathematical configuration that will tell you how many calories you need to maintain your current weight. If you eat more, you gain weight. I don't understand how a human being can eat at such a restrictive level, calorically speaking, and become morbidly obese. It's not that complicated and even if you had extremely poor metabolism, you still need at least 1,000 per day to pump blood through your heart and oxygenate your lungs, etc. Your situation is very interesting and suprising to learn about. Best of luck!

I agree with everything you posted. Some people just under estimate how much they are actually consuming. I highly doubt a person is gaining weight on 1200calories a day. It makes more sense that that person was overeating for years, gained a lot of weight, started dieting at an extreme caloric deficit eating only 1200cal a day, destroyed their metabolism thus lowering their BMR and now not losing any weight eating only 1200cal per day. Your gaining because your BMR is now probably under 1000cal and your now eating at a surplus of 200cal per day.

Losing weight is as simple as calories in vs calories out... eat at a caloric deficit and you will lose weight, thats a fact. You can blame it on genetics or emotional eating ect but fact is fact no way to excuse around it.

How come the guys never have this type of fun, clawing each other to minced meat like the forum girls? I think we would be really bad at it we tried; it would definitely be laughable. Lol. Then we would all get together, break bread, share some beers and call it a night. Metaphorically speaking, of course...

I think most of the sly digs, if we could think of any, would go past us unnoticed. It would get pretty boring and we would have to start slugging each other to stay awake. Now it's a party!

I am so looking forward to the day that I'm far enough along post op that I have the brainpower and playful attitude to join in the fun. Right now, I'm taking it a day at a time but I'll get there. Thanks for the fun read tonight (not meaning any disrespect to the initial poster)!

Wow- just wow.

Very entertaining <3

Lets all just hold hands kum ba yah.

Ladies ladies you are all pretty, there is enough weight loss to make everyone happy.

If you post, no matter what it is- expect someone to answer.

If you answer please read it back because we all can be sensitive at times. It is also hard to tell tone in writing.

We are here to give/receive support, my mom gives me support but when she says something I don't want to hear, I call it a lecture. Lets just let stuff fall off our shoulders.

Girl I'm ready to argue over these so called muffin tops!!

I'm so sick of all this crap being marketed to us silly Americans! Low fat this' date=' sugar free that vitamin infused crap! Have you seen the new Greek yogurt **** Greek yogurt ice cream Greek yogurt cereal..

Processed **** sold as healthy for us!!

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The vitamuffins are all natural I believe and taste very healthy. They're sold in the all natural/organic part of our grocery store.

But I get your frustration. It's like manipulating the system, altering and adjusting everything. It can mess with a food addicts head.

The vitamuffins are all natural I believe and taste very healthy. They're sold in the all natural/organic part of our grocery store.

But I get your frustration. It's like manipulating the system' date=' altering and adjusting everything. It can mess with a food addicts head.[/quote']

You have got to read the book "Salt, Sugar, Fat: How the food giants hooked us" if you have not already. This expose will show you exactly how much the food giants have messed with the system to make us into food addicts. I just read it a couple weeks ago and was amazed at the depths the food giants will go to, the political lobbying and the outright manipulation of advertising in the name of profit both in the last century and this century. It is a very corrupt system we live within. You must read this!

http://www.amazon.com/Salt-Sugar-Fat-Giants-Hooked/dp/1400069807/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1370352370&sr=8-1&keywords=Fat%2C+salt%2C+sugar

Wowzers! This thread is still going?!?! I don't usually chime in on particular behaviors but this post is quite irritating. Mainly because the only person being aggressive is the one who started the whole thing but clearly cannot see that.

PS. Some of you ladies are hilarious, lol! Enjoying the haikus!

You have got to read the book "Salt' date=' Sugar, Fat: How the food giants hooked us" if you have not already. This expose will show you exactly how much the food giants have messed with the system to make us into food addicts. I just read it a couple weeks ago and was amazed at the depths the food giants will go to, the political lobbying and the outright manipulation of advertising in the name of profit both in the last century and this century. It is a very corrupt system we live within. You must read this!

http://www.amazon.com/Salt-Sugar-Fat-Giants-Hooked/dp/1400069807/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1370352370&sr=8-1&keywords=Fat%2C+salt%2C+sugar[/quote']

Thanks for giving us the link to the book to read. While I'm off work recovering I want to read as much as I can to help change my cravings and ways. Any other books you suggest?

You have got to read the book "Salt' date=' Sugar, Fat: How the food giants hooked us" if you have not already. This expose will show you exactly how much the food giants have messed with the system to make us into food addicts. I just read it a couple weeks ago and was amazed at the depths the food giants will go to, the political lobbying and the outright manipulation of advertising in the name of profit both in the last century and this century. It is a very corrupt system we live within. You must read this!

http://www.amazon.com/Salt-Sugar-Fat-Giants-Hooked/dp/1400069807/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1370352370&sr=8-1&keywords=Fat%2C+salt%2C+sugar[/quote']

Good stuff fiddle!

Another good book about addictions to sugar is

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0936077131/ref=redir_mdp_mobile

The vitamuffins are all natural I believe and taste very healthy. They're sold in the all natural/organic part of our grocery store.

But I get your frustration. It's like manipulating the system' date=' altering and adjusting everything. It can mess with a food addicts head.[/quote']

I just have a hard time seeing them as a healthy alternative...

I'm a food addict and these and me together would be trouble!