Health Care

[pattygreen 5]

Why can't we afford to save the life of another???????????? I am praying for you and others that oppose healthcare for all. My prayer is to have your eyes opened. Patti go to your local public health clinic interview those who live this truth each day, and come into the light "people are dying from lack of access to healthcare in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA"

We CAN afford to. Take those 30 million or so who don't have insurance, and purchase it for them. That would be a HECK of a lot cheaper than the HC public option they are planning! (And it won't infringe on our freedoms)

I am not against HC reform and insuring those without it. Let me say it again! I am NOT against HC reform and insuring those without it. We already do that as a country. I AM AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT BEING IN THE HEALTH CARE INSURANCE BUSINESS, AND HAVING THE SAY OVER MY HEALTH CARE!!!!!!!! What don't you get about that? I don't want the government of the USA to have a say in my health decisions or to be the ONLY HC choice. That is Socialism! With the public option, that will be our fate!

[pattygreen 5]

85% of Americans like their HC coverage. Why are we going to overhaul a good thing going, and spend trillions of dollars doing it? It has been proven that there are only 12 million people (for real, without exageration) who are without ins. We can insure them for less than the cost of this massive HC overhaul planned by Pelosi and her followers. Within 31 years, this country will be out of money. Gone! None left! With HC, Cap and Trade, business and job killing proposals moving dramatically to the left, we are being financially drained. Once this is passed it will never be repealed. Republicans gave Congress over 12 different HC reform bills that were tossed by them. It's not about reform, it's about governmment control and greed for their own pockets.

[LarraineM 6]

qoute for the day " You like your plan keep it" I have no problem with that promise. But however insurance companies cannot go unchecked. We can see what happens when they do.If Insurance companies can't stand a little competion there is something seriously WRONG with the system. GREED cannot trump Christianity!

[pattygreen 5]

Let me get this straight......we're trying to pass a health care plan written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it but exempts themselves from it, to be signed by a president that also hasn't read it and who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that's broke.

What the heck could possibly go wrong?

[Cleo's Mom 257]

Let me get this straight......we're trying to pass a health care plan written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn't read it but exempts themselves from it, to be signed by a president that also hasn't read it and who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that's broke.

What the heck could possibly go wrong?

Let me get this straight. We went to war with Iraq after 9/11 even though it didn't have anything to do with 9/11, we went after phantom WMD's, sent there by a president who admitted he doesn't read. Period. And who didn't know the difference between Sunni, Shite and Kurds. A war championed by dick cheney who never served (5 deferments - "I had other priorities"), funded by money we didn't have (borrowed from China), with troops who didn't have proper equipment (many parents had to buy it), a war predicted as lasting months, not years, where we would be greeted as liberators and whose cost would be under $100 billion.

Now what could possibly go wrong?

Oh, I know!!!

4000+ DEAD.

[pattygreen 5]

Are we talking about Bush? Cause I thought we were talking about Obama. Oh yeah, liberals, when they can't respond to your points on our new President, feel the need to bring up what the past president did. I don't care about Bush. he's not in the office any longer. I only want to talk about what is relevent to the here and now. Obama.

Just because your ex boss at work did alot of wrong while she employed you, doesn't mean you can blame your new boss for what she's doing on the job now.

[Cleo's Mom 257]

Are we talking about Bush? Cause I thought we were talking about Obama. Oh yeah, liberals, when they can't respond to your points on our new President, feel the need to bring up what the past president did. I don't care about Bush. he's not in the office any longer. I only want to talk about what is relevent to the here and now. Obama.

Just because your ex boss at work did alot of wrong while she employed you, doesn't mean you can blame your new boss for what she's doing on the job now.

I bring it up to again highlight the hypocrisy of those who are "suddenly" concerned with the plight of this country and its president when for 8 years they didn't care what the worst president in american history did to bring this country to the brink of ruin.

And now we have a president cleaning up his messes and I am supposed to believe their outrage is genuine. NEVER.

[LarraineM 6]

Patty, your belt is too tight get help!

[KartMan 58]

Cleo’sMom and Larraine, my hat is off to you two. I don’t have the time or patience to go back and rebut all of the ludicrous ranting from the other side on this thread but you guys have done a remarkable job. Keep up the good work.

We have the numbers out in the country and in Congress. We don’t have to convince the Right Wing, they will never join us. The Republicans (save 1 or 2 in the House and maybe 1 in the Senate) are against anything Obama is for, so they are out too.

The folks that need convincing are the people that Obama helped to put in power, the Democrats. They better figure out who is buttering their bread or they may find themselves without a job in 2010 and 2012. They waivered on this very topic in 1994 and they lost both the House and Senate because of it, I hope history does not repeat itself. Bill Clinton took them to the woodshed the other day in regard to that and they still don’t get it. If they screw this up I suggest we all get behind MoveOn.Org and other groups that have threatened to Primary Democrats that do not support HC Reform. In fact, if Obama is not strong enough to get this passed we should Primary him too. Enough is enough.

[Cleo's Mom 257]

Cleo’sMom and Larraine, my hat is off to you two. I don’t have the time or patience to go back and rebut all of the ludicrous ranting from the other side on this thread but you guys have done a remarkable job. Keep up the good work.

We have the numbers out in the country and in Congress. We don’t have to convince the Right Wing, they will never join us. The Republicans (save 1 or 2 in the House and maybe 1 in the Senate) are against anything Obama is for, so they are out too.

The folks that need convincing are the people that Obama helped to put in power, the Democrats. They better figure out who is buttering their bread or they may find themselves without a job in 2010 and 2012. They waivered on this very topic in 1994 and they lost both the House and Senate because of it, I hope history does not repeat itself. Bill Clinton took them to the woodshed the other day in regard to that and they still don’t get it. If they screw this up I suggest we all get behind MoveOn.Org and other groups that have threatened to Primary Democrats that do not support HC Reform. In fact, if Obama is not strong enough to get this passed we should Primary him too. Enough is enough.

First - thank you. Well said and I agree. My congressman is a republican and is safe, unfortunately. Obama said he didn't care if he was a one term president. That may happen if he doesn't dance with the one who brung him.

[plain 12]

As a Christian how can anyone be against a healthcare system that provides care for all Americans.

As a Christian, I will answer that. This plan will do more harm than good. Simple enough? God mandated that we (his church) take care of the poor, not the government.

Yes, they were left wing and they were radical in that they wanted change and they hated bush. So do I. He was the worst president in history. He was stupid, ill-spoken, unwilling to admit mistakes, responsible for an unjustified war costing 4000+ lives and a trillion dollars adding to out debt, the deregulation of wall street resulting in the financial crisis of 2008 and the rise in unemployment (rose all through 2008 and is continuing), infringing on our freedoms (wireless wire taps), illegal foreign prisons, torture, ignoring Katrina victims, and ignoring clean energy, global warming, and last but not least - healthcare.

Now we have brains back in the White House and a president who is willing to tackle all these tough issues - the solutions often being tough but necessary. He has already said that if he is a one term president because he is willing to do what it takes to clean up bush's messes, then so be it. And if people want to protest him, they have that right. But don't tell me it's about healthcare or spending or the deficit. It's about Obama and wanting him to fail. Period.

Oh. my. goodness. I think that statement says it all.

We have the numbers out in the country and in Congress. We don’t have to convince the Right Wing, they will never join us. The Republicans (save 1 or 2 in the House and maybe 1 in the Senate) are against anything Obama is for, so they are out too.

Kartman, dems don't have the hearts & minds of the American people. If the public supported this bill, it would have passed yesterday. Why do you think democratic reps and senators are dragging their feet? It's because they know the voters are against the bill.

[pattygreen 5]

I bring it up to again highlight the hypocrisy of those who are "suddenly" concerned with the plight of this country and its president when for 8 years they didn't care what the worst president in american history did to bring this country to the brink of ruin.

And now we have a president cleaning up his messes and I am supposed to believe their outrage is genuine. NEVER.

You are talking to 'me', not 'everyone else'. I have never been on LBT praising Bush, so I'm not suddenly concerned about what Obama is doing.Therefore, no highlighting of any hypocrisy is necessary.

The peoples outrage over what Obama is doing IS genuine. When someone promises that they are going to Change things for the better, and that Change isn't for the better, but worse, it can outrage you. " But, HE PRIOMISED!!!!!" They say. He said he would stop the incessive spending, and the secrecy and deceit inn Washington.

[pattygreen 5]

I agree with Plain on the point that if the American voters were all for this bill, it would have been passed already. But because they aren't it's a battle for Congress. They know that their jobs are at stake if they pass it. The public will be in an uproar. They will make sure they get off their seats and get out to vote if they never did before.

[Cleo's Mom 257]

I agree with Plain on the point that if the American voters were all for this bill, it would have been passed already. But because they aren't it's a battle for Congress. They know that their jobs are at stake if they pass it. The public will be in an uproar. They will make sure they get off their seats and get out to vote if they never did before.

rush, as I said before, those democratic congressmen and senators who oppose or are on the fence about healthcare reform represent far fewer people than those who support it. The republicans come from districts who didn't before nor now support Pres. Obama and only want him to fail. They will never vote for any of the president's programs or agenda.

[KartMan 58]

Kartman, dems don't have the hearts & minds of the American people. If the public supported this bill, it would have passed yesterday. Why do you think democratic reps and senators are dragging their feet? It's because they know the voters are against the bill.

I don’t quite agree with that. I think they have the hearts and minds of the American people, but they may be a little short on the actual voters in America. The silent middle and progressives came out in record numbers to vote for Obama largely on his plan to finally address healthcare. Unfortunately, they seem to think their work was done in getting him elected, obviously that is not the case. They need to continue their support of him to get the legislation passed or it will fail yet again. The people that really want healthcare passed need to be just as vocal as the opposition. They need to rebut every argument and make their voices heard. Most importantly, they need to remind their Democratic Senators and Representatives that they will be primaried (I don’t think that is really a word, but you get my point) and tossed if they don’t vote for this legislation. Obama needs to know too that this is HIS issue, if he drops the ball on it he will be tossed as well (and he should be).