I was outraged by this story. I'm not interested in debating it with anyone, I just wanted to put the story out there for those who are interested.

Washington Times - 16 illegals sue Arizona rancher

If you want to contribute to his legal fund send it to:

Roger Barnett Legal Defense Fund

1498 E Fry Blvd

Sierra Vista, AZ 85635

I don't have any real amount of money to send but I'm sure every little bit helps.

Well I'm not taking sides here but I do remember during the campaign you saying you didn't like either of them.

yeah - beth and i had several heated disagreements in the obama threads...the one thing we did agree on was that mccain was not a choice the repubs should have selected.

Thanks, y'all. Even though we may have disagreed on who was best, I know I wasn't touting any one of them. I was hugely disappointed that McDummy was the best the right thought they could offer.

Thanks, y'all. Even though we may have disagreed on who was best, I know I wasn't touting any one of them. I was hugely disappointed that McDummy was the best the right thought they could offer.

The right didn't have anything to do with him being selected.

That is undoubtedly true. It is also the reason I believe he selected Palin as his running mate. The right wing faction of the party was totally up in arms because he wasn't right enough. Palin certainly fit that bill and they seem to love her even today. There is definitely a movement underway to get her elected in 4 years. Some subtle things are happening and some not so subtle.

That is undoubtedly true. It is also the reason I believe he selected Palin as his running mate. The right wing faction of the party was totally up in arms because he wasn't right enough. Palin certainly fit that bill and they seem to love her even today. There is definitely a movement underway to get her elected in 4 years. Some subtle things are happening and some not so subtle.

I doubt she'd ever win. I think McDummy would have won had it not been for the vagina version of McDummy.

With that said, I don't think any Repub would have won that election, not after Bush.

With that said, I don't think any Repub would have won that election, not after Bush.

agreed.

bjean - i've already seen palin 2012 bumperstickers in/around dfw........

I like Palin but she is just a conservative BO, not in the least bit qualified for the top of the ticket. I would vote for her mainly because BO is not, a Black Democrat as the Media portrays him, but a SOCALIST. Mark my words, over the next few months, more and more Democrats will be jumping ship when they realize the BO they fell in love with was an illusion.

Absolutely agreed, ninner.

With that said, I don't think any Repub would have won that election, not after Bush.

Totally agree with this statement.

That is undoubtedly true. It is also the reason I believe he selected Palin as his running mate. The right wing faction of the party was totally up in arms because he wasn't right enough. Palin certainly fit that bill and they seem to love her even today. There is definitely a movement underway to get her elected in 4 years. Some subtle things are happening and some not so subtle.

I like Palin ok. I think the repubs went ape for her because she espoused conservative values....something McCain didn't really have going for him (what with the aforementioned liberal immigration policies and such). I still think it's funny that feminists crucified Palin after griping that Hiliary was treated in a sexist manner.

I doubt she'd ever win. I think McDummy would have won had it not been for the vagina version of McDummy.

With that said, I don't think any Repub would have won that election, not after Bush.

Probably no republican would have won....simply because of the effective democrat slogan of "voting for x is like 4 more years of Bush"....but everybody's gotta admit that McCain didn't try very hard. If the election had been a boxing match, I'd have accused McCain of taking a dive.

I was a Mitt Romney man, myself. He was much more conservative than McCain, and was much more economy-saavy. I think Romney's Mormonism ended up beating him, which is unfortunate.

Totally agree with this statement.

Can you believe what Osama Barrack-Laden-Obama has done to this country already? Nice changes pal, yes you can!

*thread hijack - sorta....

I just read where Phoenix is rated the #2 kidnapping city in the world...only Mexico City is worse. But don't worry, it's mostly illegal-on-illegal crime.

Yeah, uh-huh...

Aha, they can't. Surprisingly (to me anyway) there is quite a population of illegals here in Oregon, My wife sees them everyday, walking to WORK. They would love to join the Army and serve but they can't, no papers.

Also, not just men please, women defend our freedom as well.

Foreigners CAN join the US military, and many of them do in order to gain citizenship. The ones who can't are the ones currently breaking the law by being here illegaly.

Probably no republican would have won....simply because of the effective democrat slogan of "voting for x is like 4 more years of Bush"....but everybody's gotta admit that McCain didn't try very hard. If the election had been a boxing match, I'd have accused McCain of taking a dive.

Perhaps the reason people kept saying that voting for McDummy meant another four years of Bush... is because it is true. McDummy voted with Bush over 90% of the time. I've experienced his political BS in AZ, we've been stuck with him for years. Voting for McDummy would have been exactly like voting for Bush except that McDummy isn't quite as embarrassing to watch on TV with the grammar errors and stupid statements.

I think Palin is about as ignorant as they get. She would have been more of an embarrassment than Bush ever dreamed of being.