I am curious - as of now - who you would like to see as President...

P.S. There is only an option to have 15 listed and there are 16 running.

In my opinion it is SOOOOO much better to have a little cum on your coattails than all the blood on your hands our current so called leader has.

Not sure exactly who I will support yet, I am still watching and considering, I am just thankful beyond all belief that the current joke cannot be re elected. Maybe now we can regain some respect, and credibility in the world, and quit acting like terrorists ourselves!

Once again....this is strictly my own opinion!!!

Kat

re: "Truth is, religion is a non-issue"

alas....that used to be such in the US also......however, considering neither the candidates nor the media care to discuss any of the REAL issues, such matters as Brittney's latest and other trivia masquerades as what is newsworthy....we basically are doomed and our political and educational system is reaping the rewards of the past 40 years of neglect, deceit and moral devolution....

re: Snopes

While I use it frequently, I have yet to find the source of exactly 'How' IT got to be such an authority on the wit and wisdom of the ethernet....

Yah, I've often wondered how Snopes got to be such an authority, too.

Transformer, I am looking forward to hearing more about your platform.

Anyone as happy as I am that Romney won last night?

In my opinion it is SOOOOO much better to have a little cum on your coattails than all the blood on your hands our current so called leader has.

I never said I wanted to keep the current leader...but I don't think we need to go back to the past either. It should be dead and buried, never to be resurrected. It's not so much the bodily fluids that bothered me as the total lack of integrity he exhibited by lying under oath.

Besides, continuing the "Bush bashing" isn't going to get anyone anywhere at this point. It is a done deal that he is leaving office, so I don't feel the need to even address him or his policies as part of the current race for the presidency. It's a moot point.

I remembered another amusing anectdote about Bill Clinton. My son was just a young un' then, but he asked me why our president was on the TV telling all of our enemies that we didn't have enough bombs. What an awesome Commander-in-Chief of our military! NOT! :smile:

I am afraid I don't follow-------I realize this is all being said in jest----but it is moot point to bring up the pathetic job our current leader is doing, but rehashing a decade old issue with Slick Willie is not???

Be an interesting poll regardless, of whether people thought we were better off as a country when Clinton left office or when W leaves......

Kat

I am afraid I don't follow-------I realize this is all being said in jest----but it is moot point to bring up the pathetic job our current leader is doing, but rehashing a decade old issue with Slick Willie is not???

Be an interesting poll regardless, of whether people thought we were better off as a country when Clinton left office or when W leaves......

Kat

It doesn't matter if Bush is horrible, because he's going away. Let's not invite the Clintons back in either--that is not a GOOD change! It's called a change for the worse!

I just want someone who isn't related to anyone who has been in the White House over the past 50 years or so...is that asking for too much?

Not everyone would agree that life was so frickin' fantastic in the 90s either. All depends on what side of the fence you were on...

I don't think that most Americans are as bitter about Bill Clinton's behavior while in office as you are transformer. And it is astounding that you can go on about him, repeatedly, and then say that what this president is doing or has done is not worthy of discussing. Huh? What?

My God, how can anyone brush off the current administration's policies both here and abroad with a wave of the hand? But then rant and rave about Bill's indescretions and lying under oath (about indescretions).

That is what puzzles many of us who are appalled at the Bush camp and what he/they have done to our military, our country, our economy, and on and on and on. Instead of spending absolutely no energy pointing what a sneaky bastard Bush is and questioning where our country is headed, you're all focused on Bill Clinton. Amazing.

I might add that I do find you to be quite funny and I did get a chuckle out of much of what you posted. (Even though I disagree with your discussion focus.)

Jack I completely agree with you about the media's avoidance of the real issues! Isn't that one reason why this thread was started?

I was voting for someone else last week, but I had a dream about hunters vs. gatherers and woke up thinking of basic psychology and biology. Men are inherently physically stronger, but women are the organized multitaskers that are called on to clean up big messes. Women have been cleaning up after men since the beginning of time and doing a damn good job of running households, schools and cities. This place is a mess and needs a woman's touch.

How many people that are voting for Obama have read any (one?) of his books? He's a nice, honest guy, but he needs backbone and is more of a follower than a leader.

TownDrunk---you sound like my brother---he said the same thing, he told me when he was a kid in school, and got in trouble, if it were a simple note to be signed he took it to Dad....issue over. If it required someone going in person, he took Mom so she could fix it once and for all!!!

My BIL is supposed to bring a couple of books this weekend when he comes from Denver, and I understand one of them to be Obama's. I look forward to reading it.

Kat

"how can anyone brush off the current administration's policies both here and abroad with a wave of the hand? But then rant and rave about Bill's indescretions and lying under oath (about indescretions).

Hey BJean, haven't been here much lately good to see you!

YOu know, for those who disagree with the current administration's policies it would definitely not be a good thing to just brush it off, it's their right not to, I don't have a problem with that, but to call Bill Clinton's actions "indiscretions"...? that's pushing it... Bill Clinton was charged with perjury and obstruction of justice due to the Monica scandal which was a lot more than an indiscretion...it was a global nasty scandal..then Paula Jones suit also.. He was impeached by the house and even though he was aquitted later by the senate, those trials were pretty much party line... lack of moral character, integrity and honesty are not just indiscretions...He law license was suspended and finally was suspended from the United States Supreme Court Bar...I'm not arguing who is better, we both know that I'm a Republican you are Democrat, we'll never agree on that... but I think that we may be able to agree that what dear ole Bill did was far more than just indiscretions...:smile:

*steers thread kinda-sorta back on course*

For much of our nation's history Black Americans have been kept in their place, and consistently it has been the democratic party apparatus that has been most guilty.

Slavery, in the Democrat Party south.

Jim Crow, in the Democrat Party south.

And later, after the Civil Rights movements had their days, once again it was primarily the democrats who used blacks as stooges and stage props, giving them their voice so long as they didn't get too uppity, and giving nothing of real substance in return.

The Democrat Party system gave rise to a few black ministers, promising them face time,wealth and protection from investigation, in exchange for delivering the votes of the black masses.

If ever a single demographic was pimped out so perfectly, it has been the way black Americans have been done by democrats.

Now, along comes the most unblack of black men to lead a revolt.

Ideologically, this guy is no different from any other Democrat. There really is no diversity of thought or ideas in that party, so candidates are chosen using the only other qualification left: personality.

And Obama has it.

In spades.

Hilary Clinton was supposed to walk to the coronation, the heir apparent of the party apparatus. This has got to be frightening for her to be facing a direct threat to her throne by, of all things, a member of the group who was supposed to be in her pocket.

After 225-plus years of using/abusing blacks to build their party, and somebody forgot to give Obama the memo: Blacks leaders are supposed to lead other blacks only to vote democrat.

Obama has left the plantation. He's not speaking to blacks. He's speaking primarily to whites, and the whites are responding.

To make things extra difficult, he's facing smears and personal attacks from the most effective political machine of the past forty years. Not even phased, he's hitting back with his own rhetoric and keeping The Machine off balance.

It wasn't supposed to happen this way. The blacks were supposed to be in the tank for Hilary. And the opposition just a formality.

It's a great show, and it's about to get real dirty.

But I hope he understands just who he is dealing with.

If he's not careful, he'll end up laying on the grass in Fort Marcy Park.

*steers thread kinda-sorta back on course*

For much of our nation's history Black Americans have been kept in their place, and consistently it has been the democratic party apparatus that has been most guilty.

Slavery, in the Democrat Party south.

Jim Crow, in the Democrat Party south.

And later, after the Civil Rights movements had their days, once again it was primarily the democrats who used blacks as stooges and stage props, giving them their voice so long as they didn't get too uppity, and giving nothing of real substance in return.

The Democrat Party system gave rise to a few black ministers, promising them face time,wealth and protection from investigation, in exchange for delivering the votes of the black masses.

If ever a single demographic was pimped out so perfectly, it has been the way black Americans have been done by democrats.

Now, along comes the most unblack of black men to lead a revolt.

Ideologically, this guy is no different from any other Democrat. There really is no diversity of thought or ideas in that party, so candidates are chosen using the only other qualification left: personality.

And Obama has it.

In spades.

Hilary Clinton was supposed to walk to the coronation, the heir apparent of the party apparatus. This has got to be frightening for her to be facing a direct threat to her throne by, of all things, a member of the group who was supposed to be in her pocket.

After 225-plus years of using/abusing blacks to build their party, and somebody forgot to give Obama the memo: Blacks leaders are supposed to lead other blacks only to vote democrat.

Obama has left the plantation. He's not speaking to blacks. He's speaking primarily to whites, and the whites are responding.

To make things extra difficult, he's facing smears and personal attacks from the most effective political machine of the past forty years. Not even phased, he's hitting back with his own rhetoric and keeping The Machine off balance.

It wasn't supposed to happen this way. The blacks were supposed to be in the tank for Hilary. And the opposition just a formality.

It's a great show, and it's about to get real dirty.

But I hope he understands just who he is dealing with.

If he's not careful, he'll end up laying on the grass in Fort Marcy Park.

Brilliant post, Derick. :hurray: You hit the nail on the head.:smash:

"where IS the evidence 'a woman's touch' WOULD be better?"

There is no evidence that a woman's touch would be better. But there's nothing but evidence that men have run us into the ground. A few decades of personal relationships, relatives, friends, co-workers and neighbors is enough proof to me that women, on the most part, take care of about 80% of the household. Don't get me wrong, I know some awesome men that do much more than their wives, but they are far and few between. I can safely say about 80% of men I know are laying on the couch watching TV while Wifey's doing laundry, feeding kids, paying bills, yapping with girlfriends on the phone, painting her toenails, planning menus, clipping coupons and unclogging the bathroom sink all at once.

I don't think that most Americans are as bitter about Bill Clinton's behavior while in office as you are transformer. And it is astounding that you can go on about him, repeatedly, and then say that what this president is doing or has done is not worthy of discussing. Huh? What?

My God, how can anyone brush off the current administration's policies both here and abroad with a wave of the hand? But then rant and rave about Bill's indescretions and lying under oath (about indescretions).

That is what puzzles many of us who are appalled at the Bush camp and what he/they have done to our military, our country, our economy, and on and on and on. Instead of spending absolutely no energy pointing what a sneaky bastard Bush is and questioning where our country is headed, you're all focused on Bill Clinton. Amazing.

I might add that I do find you to be quite funny and I did get a chuckle out of much of what you posted. (Even though I disagree with your discussion focus.)

I'll try this one more time just for fun. Once Bush is gone from office he really will be gone. All done. Finito! Everyone sing with me now: "Na na na na--na na na na--hey, hey, hey--good-bye." Off to the Crawford Ranch he goes! He can mispronounce all the words he wants in private at last! From what I can tell, Laura Bush is not running for president so she's not dragging him back to the White House. Jeb Bush is not running for president so he isn't bringing "Dubya" back. "41" is not running for president so his son isn't coming back either. Barbara Bush (41's wife) is not running for president, so she won't be bringing her son back to Washington. The twins aren't running for president either. In about a year from now, he'll be outta here.

None of the current candidates will be stupid enough to follow exactly in Bush's footsteps and adopt all of his policies. Everyone is going to distance themselves from Bush as much as possible if they want to win. So, we need to carry on about Bush's policies as part of the current presidential election why exactly? I could see the connection if he was up for re-election for his second term...but that's not the case. If it were, I'd happily join in and slug it out with everyone, but under the current circumstances, I don't think it would be a worthwhile use of my energy.

On the other hand, it's just a wild suspicion of mine, but I think Bill Clinton is likely to accompany Hillary Clinton to the White House if she is elected...which means that his past misdeeds are suddenly quite relevant to all of us (thanks for reminding everyone of the seriousness of his actions Elena...he is no angel and the things he has done should not be glossed over). No one would have ever had to think about Bill Clinton again in the first place if HIS WIFE wasn't running for president! They are being marketed and sold as a package deal which is a VERY different and disturbing situation. Just the thought of it makes me long for Ross Perot and his little pointer stick...sob! Bring those cute little graphs back, man! I just want to pinch those jug-handled ears of yours (anyone remember the old Saturday Night Live skits about him? Hilarious)!

Derick--thanks for the history lesson about politicians making sure that Black Americans are kept "in their place." You are right on! Anyone who can't see the manipulation that goes on behind the scenes needs to take off their blinders. Thanks for mentioning Fort Marcy Park, too. (Memories...light the corners of my mind...Vince Foster - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia). I'm actually looking forward to having a ring-side seat as things heat up!

TownDrunk--I heartily agree that a woman could do the job without a doubt. We just need to find the right one and then go for it!

Jack--All I have to say about "the woman's touch" and its effectiveness is that you haven't met my sister. Trust me, she'd have everything and everybody straightened out in a jiffy. She doesn't play! She's going to lead and you'd better follow or get the hell out of the way! Come to think of it, she'd make an excellent campaign manager for me!