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I am not a doctor, but... (post-op diet progression)

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Over the last few weeks, I've seen a number of posts about "cheating" on the diet plan in the days and weeks immediately following surgery, and I am very concerned about this trend.


I am not a doctor, I do not play one on TV, and I am not dispensing medical advice.


However.


I am a registered nurse, and what I'm about to say is an informed and educated opinion.


Surgeons tend to give VERY detailed instructions about what to eat after a stomach surgery, and for VERY good reason.


Even when the surgery is arthroscopic and looks to be a very tiny surgery on the outside, it's a VERY BIG surgery on the inside. The VSG surgery leaves a staple/suture line the entire length of the stomach. That incision has to heal, and if you could see it, it would look like raw beef. If the incision were on the outside, we would be very careful with it, keeping it clean and bandaged while it healed. Of course, it's on the inside, so we can't do that. But we need to keep in mind that it needs to heal in the same way.


We have to eat, and that food will be against that raw incision. At the same time that we have to protect the healing stomach, we also have to get in plenty of fluids and nutrients, specifically Protein, in order to support healing. Protein is the primary building block for tissue, so it's critical to healing. Carbs are mainly just energy sources, so they're not as important, especially given that people having bariatric surgery have plenty of energy in their fat stores. This is why protein is stressed so heavily over carbs in the diets.


Additionally, the stomach is now in a new shape, and it basically has to learn how to function as a slender tube instead of a big bag. There's a learning curve. Kinda like a newborn baby's stomach. We don't dump steak and salad into a newborn's stomach for good reason - it doesn't know how to deal with it. Similarly, we don't want to do that to our new sleeve. We start off with stuff that's easy on the suture line and easy to digest, and as the suture line heals and the sleeve learns its job, start working our way up to "real" food.


So over the years, doctors have learned what foods are best for a healing stomach, and that translates into the post-op diet progression instructions.


Typically, that looks like this: Clear liquids, then full liquids, then pureed foods, then soft foods, then slowly move into a "full" diet beginning with high moisture content foods first. When moving from one stage to the next, it's typically advised to add just one food at a time, in small amounts, and see how it's tolerated. A food that's not tolerated well can be tried later on as well. If an entire stage is not being tolerated, back up to the previous stage for a while, and then try again more slowly.


Surgeons tend to specify how long to stay in each of these stages, what types of food make up each stage, and how to transition to the next stage. Every surgeon's instructions are a little different, and it's based on their experience and sometimes changes based on the patient's specific medical case.


The general idea in the very early weeks is to eat foods that will not stress the healing suture line, and do not have particles that are known to cut into the raw tissue or get embedded into the suture line. If a cut or embedded food particle gets infected, it can become an abscess and develop into a leak. A leak can be life threatening, and at the very least cause the patient to have to be hospitalized and possibly have more surgery to correct it. Foods that are particularly known to cause issues are those that swell up like rice, have seeds like strawberries, or have rough hard edges or hard to digest fibers like wheat crackers or raw vegetables.


There are people who eat all sorts of things against their doctor's orders and have suffered no ill effects, but this should not be used as an argument that the doctor's orders are not important. Similarly, you will find some people who smoke a pack of cigarettes every day and drink a pint of whiskey every day but live to 100. They are not representative of most people, and should not be used as the example other people follow.


The reality is that some people will develop abscesses and leaks because they ate things before they were cleared to by their doctors, and there is no way to predict who will have the complications and who will not. And the consequences can be as severe as death. It's not common, but that's how bad it can get. That's why the doctors give the instructions they do. They're not just testing you or trying to make your life hard. They are giving you the best information they have to keep you safe.


Violating these orders is not "cheating" on a diet. It's risking your life. I am not being overly dramatic with this statement, it is a fact that it has happened. You are risking your safety and your health if you violate these orders. It's not about "being human", it's not about "food addiction". It's about your safety and your health. It's hard to be on liquids only for 2 weeks (or more). Some people have huge cravings, or "head hunger" as we tend to call it here. Or just want desperately to chew something. No one is saying it's easy. But it's necessary. Distract yourself. Eat/drink anything that's allowed on your plan - freeze it, heat it up, try something that's opposite of what you've been having to shake it up. Walk around the house or the block. Suck on an ice cube. Count to ten or a hundred. Post about how hard it is, and ask people to help you get through it. But muscle through. It's nothing less than your health and safety.


As for why one surgeon will have his patients on clear liquids for 2 weeks while another only does 2 days? Or why one will skip a phase entirely? Each surgeon has different experiences that inform his practices. One is not right and the other wrong. They are each operating out of what they were taught and what they have seen in their own patient groups. They may have even modified the plan because of a specific health concern in your specific case. As a patient, you need to fully understand what your surgeon expects, and if you have a problem with the protocols get it straight with your surgeon and team BEFORE you go under the knife.


If you don't trust your surgeon and his protocols, find another surgeon. I personally would question a surgeon who doesn't allow any Protein drinks including the clear ones for 2 full weeks post op (saw that in one patient's instructions on this site) and likely wouldn't work with that surgeon, given what I know about the needs of protein for healing. But after surgery is not the time to be questioning the surgeon's protocols. Get those questions asked and answered to your satisfaction well before the surgery date.


If you are having surgery, and you have not been given your post-op instructions, at the very least for the first 2 weeks post-op, do not proceed with the surgery until you have that information. We have people posting here stating that they were sent home without clear instructions as to what they were supposed to eat or drink, just a vague statement about "full liquids". That is not sufficient information, and instructions should be given WELL BEFORE the surgery, not after. You should fully understand what will be expected in the weeks after the surgery before consenting to the surgery, or your team is not doing their job.


(This ends my sorta rant about post-op diets and "cheating")


Good luck to everyone!

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At the end of the day, it all depends on your program and their rules. Follow the rules. If given none, then ask just to be sure.

Some 'cheat'. I agree that it is 'cheating', because they broke the rules and got away with it. That is why they can post about such actions. Some others broke the rules and ended up being hospitalised for weeks. Those ones rarely describe their actions as cheating.

Anyway, know that there are consequences for all actions.

I forgot I was recently sleeved and tried to move a couch last week, an action that took a mere 3 seconds, yet I felt the pain for many hrs.

Instructions are given for real reasons.

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Thank you. Nurses rock and this is straight shooting compassionate care! Thank you again.

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One thing I have seen in my short time here are lots of posts about eating stuff we shouldn't too early, while our sleeve is still healing. But I HAVEN'T seen posts titled, My surgeon opened me up again because I ate solid food". I suspect people are a little more circumspect about posting that kind of stuff. ;-)

Point Taken.

I've been giving myself the Come to Jesus and your words are along the same vein.

Falling off the so-called wagon early out isn't just about slow weight loss, it is about basic recovery from a MAJOR surgery!

My confession is on Christmas Eve, 11 days after surgery, I sucked on 5 mini-Recees cups and a few orange chocolate sticks and a marshmallow Santa. Yeah. I could have just nibbled on a tiny edge of one of these things, but nooooo, I went whole hog.

My justification was that since it was so melty and slidey, it was *like* a puree..(nice try girl).. Besides, clearly stopping my weight loss in my tracks, it is dangerous!!

I hear you. Totally.

Of course, I am also worried in general about this being successful. Too much hunger, too much calling of carbs too damn early. Guess this will be more work than I thought it would be. :( (And please, don't tell me to get counseling for my f"ood issues").

One thing I have seen in my short time here are lots of posts about eating stuff we shouldn't too early, while our sleeve is still healing. But I HAVEN'T seen posts titled, My surgeon opened me up again because I ate solid food". I suspect people are a little more circumspect about posting that kind of stuff. ;-)

Exactly!!!

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We will see if you still feel like this next December.

I'm glad you posted this but it is an absolute waste.

It is like walking into a heroine den and talking to people about being clean. The people that are food addicts are lost causes, nothing is going to stop them from self harm.

I like to think there are people who just read and absorb, and don't get into the fray. I'm writing mostly for them. And from now on when this kind of post gets made, I'll link back to this one as my only comment and move along. LOL.

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LOL. Yes, we'll see. I get frustrated like everyone else, especially when vets are getting attacked for simply trying to offer common sense. But I'm pretty stubborn. And very used to repeating myself, as I'm a parent and a RN. LOL.

Thank you, that was very helpful and informative.

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We will see if you still feel like this next December.

I'm glad you posted this but it is an absolute waste.

It is like walking into a heroine den and talking to people about being clean. The people that are food addicts are lost causes, nothing is going to stop them from self harm.

I like to think there are people who just read and absorb, and don't get into the fray. I'm writing mostly for them. And from now on when this kind of post gets made, I'll link back to this one as my only comment and move along. LOL.

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LOL. Yes, we'll see. I get frustrated like everyone else, especially when vets are getting attacked for simply trying to offer common sense. But I'm pretty stubborn. And very used to repeating myself, as I'm a parent and a RN. LOL.

HAHAHAHA! Right? After I taught public school, I found myself repeating EVERYTHING I SAID. REPEATEDLY. I am also a parent. We repeat things/talk to ourselves a lot, don't we? ;)

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You should tag this post to your 'signature line', like you do with the 'easy way out' one, as it is THAT helpful.

It also does not have the shaming aspect that so many of the responses to 'i ate xyz' that others post.

Like I said, I done messed up xmass eve, and had already got my own message and fear before I turned on the computer.

What I would love to see (just random talking, not directed at you), is weekly menu suggestions. I went to Pinintrest and was disappointed (ads, too much food porn, not enough heart of the matter). ..course I am just now starting puree, so I need to bide my time. LOL.

u were disappointed w/Pinterest? omg. i love it. just search bariatric surgery puree or what stage u on & so many ideas!

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I m 12 days out & i did the liquid diet w/ 85% success, but i skipped the puree & combined step 1 & 3 no im on liquid & softfood ( appx. 3-4 well chewed up bites) i was too hungty i couldnt do 2 weeks puree, im guilty as charged

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It was hard to stick to the plan, but I did it. 2 months out and I can basically eat anything with the exception of citrus fruit, dried fruit, caffeine, alcohol (@ 3 months) and steak, pork steaks, ham steaks, or liver (@ 6 months, but for the record...I will not be eating the liver).

Not judging, but in my personal experience...I did everything that I was told to do, because each step was so fleeting in the grand scheme. If I can't do something hard for 1, 2, or 8 weeks, how am I going to survive the rest of my life?

I was really fat for 23 years. It was really hard to live fat for that long...really easy to get that way, but HARD TO LIVE that life, physically, emotionally, and psychologically.

If you want to live something different, you've got to do something different. End of story.

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I'm two weeks post-op, struggling with Protein drink "burn out" I get sick to my stomach just looking at the drinks now. What can I do tp get in my protein? I have another 9 days to go in first stage. Also struggle with constipation. Help

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I was terribly sick of the Protein shakes by the end of my first 2 weeks as well. I found zip-lock style freeze pop tubes on Amazon and used them to freeze Syntrax nectar drink (roadside lemonade flavor) into freeze pops and would eat those. I used unflavored Protein powder in chicken and beef bouillon (the trick is to dissolve it in warm Water with a blender and then mix it with the hot bouillon) to get something more savory and not sweet. I drank apple cider (not an option for everyone because of the carbs, but maybe a decaf herbal tea?) for something hot and sweet. I added unflavored protein powder to everything I could stand adding it to. (Didn't change the flavor, but changed texture for some things that I didn't like.) My surgeon included greek yogurt in the full liquids list, so I ate that for protein as well.

Another thing to keep in mind is that while it's GREAT if you can get the protein in the first couple of weeks, and you should certainly try to, the MOST important thing is the fluids. The body can get by with less than ideal protein for a while, but if you get dehydrated it can mean a trip to the ER, so if nothing else, get the fluids in.

For constipation, check with your team. I was advised to use a stool softener (Dulcolax) and if that didn't help in a day or two, to add Fiber to drinks (Metamucil) and if that didn't help to try Milk of Magnesia. And as a last-ditch effort if nothing else worked, I could try Magnesium Citrate. But my surgeon told me it's not abnormal to go several days between BMs early on after surgery because we're eating so much less bulk, and the high protein does tend to back us up. So not to expect a BM every day or necessarily even every other day. I've had to keep fiber added to my diet daily since surgery to keep things regular and add in stool softeners periodically. My PCP gave me a recipe for a "fiber applesauce" but it calls for prune juice and I just can't stomach it.

I'm two weeks post-op, struggling with Protein drink "burn out" I get sick to my stomach just looking at the drinks now. What can I do tp get in my protein? I have another 9 days to go in first stage. Also struggle with constipation. Help

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I was terribly sick of the protein shakes by the end of my first 2 weeks as well. I found zip-lock style freeze pop tubes on Amazon and used them to freeze Syntrax nectar drink (roadside lemonade flavor) into freeze pops and would eat those. I used unflavored protein powder in chicken and beef bouillon (the trick is to dissolve it in warm Water with a blender and then mix it with the hot bouillon) to get something more savory and not sweet. I drank apple cider (not an option for everyone because of the carbs, but maybe a decaf herbal tea?) for something hot and sweet. I added unflavored protein powder to everything I could stand adding it to. (Didn't change the flavor, but changed texture for some things that I didn't like.) My surgeon included greek yogurt in the full liquids list, so I ate that for protein as well.

Another thing to keep in mind is that while it's GREAT if you can get the protein in the first couple of weeks, and you should certainly try to, the MOST important thing is the fluids. The body can get by with less than ideal protein for a while, but if you get dehydrated it can mean a trip to the ER, so if nothing else, get the fluids in.

For constipation, check with your team. I was advised to use a stool softener (Dulcolax) and if that didn't help in a day or two, to add fiber to drinks (Metamucil) and if that didn't help to try Milk of Magnesia. And as a last-ditch effort if nothing else worked, I could try Magnesium Citrate. But my surgeon told me it's not abnormal to go several days between BMs early on after surgery because we're eating so much less bulk, and the high protein does tend to back us up. So not to expect a BM every day or necessarily even every other day. I've had to keep fiber added to my diet daily since surgery to keep things regular and add in stool softeners periodically. My PCP gave me a recipe for a "fiber applesauce" but it calls for prune juice and I just can't stomach it.

you should share that recipe, I'm one of those crazy folks who loved prunes and prime juice.

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