Alcohol

[fancystephanie 25]

Whoa, guys!!! You are being super rude! Not all of us have the same food issues. Some of us can have a few bites of cake, some of us can have a glass of wine, and some of cannot because we won't stop eating. Each of us has different trigger foods. Mine is fried food. I don't touch the stuff. One of my sorority sisters that had vertical sleeve can't eat popcorn. That's her trigger food.

Geez people. This isn't Reddit. Have some manners.

EDIT - I now realize it was one person posting multiple times. Oops. But still. Be kind.

Edited April 29, 2016 by fancystephanie

[Stevehud 1,790]

Whoa, guys!!! You are being super rude! Not all of us have the same food issues. Some of us can have a few bites of cake, some of us can have a glass of wine, and some of cannot because we won't stop eating. Each of us has different trigger foods. Mine is fried food. I don't touch the stuff. One of my sorority sisters that had vertical sleeve can't eat popcorn. That's her trigger food.

Geez people. This isn't Reddit. Have some manners.

EDIT - I now realize it was one person posting multiple times. Oops. But still. Be kind.

seriously, the some of us line is Bull, when you hit your goal and keep it off then please feel free to show what people.can and cant do. when you reach goal if you can make thi work and eat a few bites of cake, well good for you, thats awesome. but seriously, if you dont go into this and make a true effort , then you will fail. Many people dont seem to understand this is about changing the way you live FOREVER. This is not about a temporary diet that you just do for a little while, lose some weight then eat everything in moderation. That just means youll stay moderately fat.

Dont sabotage yourself before you start truly succeeding.

[Stevehud 1,790]

Wow SteveHud if anybody ever needed a drink huh. Your positive words are so greatly appreciated. I'll stick to my surgeons recommendations. Maybe you should stick to your shrinks.

JT you want a hug? or you want to succeed at this? Do you want people to just enable your bad habits? or you want to get thin? you want to eat drink and be merry , be the jolly fat guy? or you want to be the healthy thin guy? Its up to you, if you want me to kiss your ass, fine. You're doing great you'll, never fail, drink all you want, Calories don't matter , sugar and carbs don't matter, you'll be great eat and drink everything, Matter of fact advise people how they can fail too, so if you fail, you'll have someone to fail with. Every person here that has succeeded, understands what i'm saying., if you think i'm being harsh? fine, i'm being a dick, WHY? Because I want you to succeed, if you dont get your head straight, you will not succeed.

[Stevehud 1,790]

You guys are lucky, my surgeon told me no more alcohol, ever. Not 6 weeks out, not 6 months out, never.

I had told him about a couple trips I have coming up and how I wanted to reach my goal before them if possible. He'd asked if I drank, which the answer was yes... Occasionally... He said never again. Didn't ask what, but completely shut it down instead.

Sorry for the rant, but even though I don't drink often, to have the option taken away was a surprise.

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How far out are you? This is your surgeon, whose advice is important, but your success is up to you. You are an adult, and you make your own choices. We all know that there are many, many variations on postop guidelines. The farther out from surgery you are, the more your choices are on you.

yes make your own choices, because we make such GREAT food choices so far . i mean come on, you literally just advised someone to ignore their surgeon and do what they want? WTF?

[2goldengirl 2,076]

You guys are lucky, my surgeon told me no more alcohol, ever. Not 6 weeks out, not 6 months out, never.

I had told him about a couple trips I have coming up and how I wanted to reach my goal before them if possible. He'd asked if I drank, which the answer was yes... Occasionally... He said never again. Didn't ask what, but completely shut it down instead.

Sorry for the rant, but even though I don't drink often, to have the option taken away was a surprise.

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How far out are you? This is your surgeon, whose advice is important, but your success is up to you. You are an adult, and you make your own ch

. We all know that there are many, many variations on postop guidelines. The farther out from surgery you are, the more your choices are on you.

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yes make your own choices, because we make such GREAT food choices so far . i mean come on, you literally just advised someone to ignore their surgeon and do what they want? WTF?

Everybody, listen up, We have to follow Stevehud's instructions to the letter or be doomed to failure. And we'll all get a tongue-lashing for it, too. Because we are all idiots and too stupid to act like adults.

You really are rude, and a bully. The poster who called out your rudeness wasn't attacking your point of view, only your particularly hamfisted approach. My point was, the further out we get, the more our choices are on us - and the more responsible we are for them. I suppose the subtlety there was too much for you.

I haven't found that insulting people encourages behavior change, BTW.

Edited April 29, 2016 by 2goldengirl

[fancystephanie 25]

If insulting people changed behavior, I would have been thin a long time ago.

But yeah, we all make choices, and unhealthy foods are a part of life. Most days, I eat my 1000 calories and get all my Protein in, avoiding carbs and sugar. Last night, I went to a really special dinner. I knew I'd be eating unhealthy food, so I limited what I ate earlier in the day, so I could have wine and tiramisu without feeling guilty. Before the surgery, no way could I have done that. And to go around telling me I'm doomed to failure because I eat cake is stupid and untrue.

Please get control of yourself, SteveHud.

[OKCPirate 5,323]

@@2goldengirl "I haven't found that insulting people encourages behavior change, BTW."

It actually has the opposite effect. I didn't object to @@Stevehud's tough love though. He made some good points, and while everyone has their own online tone, he's been around long enough to earn some grace if it appears abrasive to you. While shame is not an effective motivator, I am reminded of the Proverb, "as Iron sharpens Iron, so one man sharpens another." I don't think the gender was accidental. This is not a persuasion tool for men to use with women (and children) and not every guy either. But there are times I need another guy to get in my face and tell me, "dude you are screwing up." And we all need a kick in the butt every now and then. It may not be the case here, and I know this isn't in the guys room, but that is often the way guys help each other.

[fancystephanie 25]

If online bullying is tolerated here, I'm going to peace out.

[KristenLe 5,980]

@@2goldengirl "I haven't found that insulting people encourages behavior change, BTW."

It actually has the opposite effect. I didn't object to @@Stevehud's tough love though. He made some good points, and while everyone has their own online tone, he's been around long enough to earn some grace if it appears abrasive to you. While shame is not an effective motivator, I am reminded of the Proverb, "as Iron sharpens Iron, so one man sharpens another." I don't think the gender was accidental. This is not a persuasion tool for men to use with women (and children) and not every guy either. But there are times I need another guy to get in my face and tell me, "dude you are screwing up." And we all need a kick in the butt every now and then. It may not be the case here, and I know this isn't in the guys room, but that is often the way guys help each other.

Having a glass of wine that her surgeon approved doesn't require a kick in the butt by someone else. I found the multiple posts to be over the top and they had no value at all. I stopped reading the ranting - so if there was something educational for us to get out of it - it didn't come through. Not everyone has the same issues that caused weight gain and we all don't have to follow the same path. If someone enjoyed a glass of wine - good for them! I don't think it will derail her weight loss! We don't need to be yelled and treated like a child for admitting to having a SURGEON approved drink. :-(

[OKCPirate 5,323]

@@KristenLe - I am with you. It is not my style to yell (well I did have at least one rant that I had to apologize for). I was just trying to explain the style difference.

But as far as the alcohol thing, I am all in favor of adults making their own calls (see: http://www.bariatricpal.com/page/articles.html/_/healthy-living/bariatric-realities-%E2%80%93-medical-professionals%E2%80%99-guidelines-about-alcohol-use-wls-r601). There is great danger in the "absolute shall not" and nothing good comes from it.

[Mystique2015 11]

I would def say test your new limits at home first before going out in public. I feel the alcohol almost instantly now. I only drink socially and I am a hermit so I don't drink too often

[njtpr113 17]

8 weeks out and I drink Vodka or Bourbon. Lost 60 lbs and continue to lose.

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[VSGAnn2014 12,992]

I will offer an observation: I am startled by the bariatric surgeon who OK'ed alcohol at 5 weeks post-op.

That's seems just weird to me. At that point the stomach is still healing and very much swollen. (Just notice how little you can eat at that point.)

That would not have been my surgeon's Rx or that of most surgeons I've seen cited here.

I also agree with the concept that your WLS honeymoon period (first 6-12 months post-op, depending on how your body responds to WLS) is when you should try to (1) maximize your weight loss (you will NEVER lose this fast again in your life) and (2) be building healthy go-to habits to follow the rest of your life.

I also agree that late weight-loss phases and early maintenance phases are the better times to start testing the waters of sweets, starches and alcohol.

That's my personal opinion based on my own experience and those of many other WLS patients I've come to know.

[Samara1974 116]

I am almost three months out and I "had" an amaretto sour before brunch the other day. I only drank 1/4 of an inch of the drink and I was snockered and couldn't finish it. For me right now the occasional indulgence is fine, "one" drink is not going to make a huge difference in my weight loss. I also plan and/or make sure I have the calories available for the day if I am going to drink.

[Babbs 14,681]

I will offer an observation: I am startled by the bariatric surgeon who OK'ed alcohol at 5 weeks post-op.

That's seems just weird to me. At that point the stomach is still healing and very much swollen. (Just notice how little you can eat at that point.)

That would not have been my surgeon's Rx or that of most surgeons I've seen cited here.

I also agree with the concept that your WLS honeymoon period (first 6-12 months post-op, depending on how your body responds to WLS) is when you should try to (1) maximize your weight loss (you will NEVER lose this fast again in your life) and (2) be building healthy go-to habits to follow the rest of your life.

I also agree that late weight-loss phases and early maintenance phases are the better times to start testing the waters of sweets, starches and alcohol.

That's my personal opinion based on my own experience and those of many other WLS patients I've come to know.

THIS. Exactly. And I think in his own, tough love type way, is what Steve was trying to say.

I had my first drink at 4 months out at around Christmas. A Bloody Mary ( Tomato juice and celery are healthy, right??). I drank half and didn't even get buzzed. Went to Hawaii many months later and had some Mai Tai's. I was close to goal at that point.

Now below goal and maintaining, I enjoy a nice glass of red or a Bloody Mary occasionally. It's all about finding the balance that works for you. This works for me