So I watched this special last night on PBS on "The Mormons" and it made me even more disgusted at religion, I have to say.

Who do these people think they are, baptizing non-Mormons who are already dead?! And up until a few years ago, they were baptizing Holocaust survivors! They still baptize dead people and then record it in writing!

That is truly horrible and wrong. How dare they record people as Mormon who have no intention of being so?

The women are subordinate to the men, and they have no status in the church. People who don't get "selected" or "accepted" or whatever, into the temple are ostracized and treated horribly. They can even be excommunicated completely.

And not to mention the outrageous treatment of Gays and Lesbians.

It made me sick!

I think the absolute worst was this couple where the woman was 43 years old and she'd already had 7 children, and they thought God "told" them to have another baby. The doctors advised against it because she was high risk, but they did it anyway, and she got diabetes and she DIED of a blood clot because of being too old and being a high-risk pregnancy! Now their children are without a mother! Horrible!

And PBS didn't go into the widespread practice of forcing little girls to have sex with old men, and into polygamy, because that's not "officially" part of the Mormon religion, but that too makes me mad.

I don't care what consenting adults do about their religious beliefs, but don't go around baptizing people who don't want to be baptized and recording it for history, and don't treat women like subordinates and force them into high risk childbearing! And don't force little girl children to get married!

And I can't believe that people go around bashing law-abiding Gay people who just want to live their lives and don't hurt anyone, when these Mormons are running around abusing people and desecrating Jewish graves and treating women like total crap and emotionally abusing their members!

And it's based on some dude who had a visions of angels and Jesus. Just some regular guy who would be considered a total mental case today! Unbelievable.

Sometimes I think the most people in the world are 100% delusional.

<p>Something positive about religion = gives people something they need in their lives. There is something for them that religion satisfies.

Of course, so do some not-so-nice things.

And double of course, if we consider why it's needed in the first place, the entire idea could go right out the window.

I KNEW I should've DVR'd this program! I hope they'll repeat it!

I recall a group of believers that thought their leader was great too, you know... the folks found dead with quarters in their pockets.

Exactly.

And I am so tired of all the pandering and coddling of these groups that goes on because "it's their beliefs" when meanwhile they're busy oppressing other people and treating Gays like dirt and teaching women to be subordinate to men.

I was on the LDS site and under "Women In the Church" it's very clear that women have a certain "role" they are expected to fit into, and that role is limited. They can't hold the highest offices in the church and the role of "mother" is praised above anything else.

Oppression! Suppression! Little girls should NOT be subjected to this!

Little girls should be encouraged to be whatever they want to be and NOT be brainwashed that having children is their "ultimate role".

It's SICK!

Why must religion always place women as secondary to men???

It's OFFENSIVE!

This religion is as crazy and nuts as any other cult out there.

Fundamentalist Christians, on the average, tend to have less education, which probably accounts for the poor spelling. It does not mean they aren't as smart as anyone else. Let us not forget Al Gore and the famous "potato" incident.

I thought that was Dan Quayle?

I am a horrible speller. I had very involved parents, have an AA and a BA, read all the time for fun but just can't seem to "get" spelling.

I don't know about that one. Look back at this thread, or others, at some of the posts made by self-professed mormons. Look at the grammar, sentence structure, etc. The forum has an integrated spell check so if you're going by the spelling in the posts, that has to be taken with a grain of salt. We do not, however, have a grammar check.

well as for my spelling, i'm on a crappy laptop and the curser sticks and jumps around, s o it messes up my typing and it's so obnoxious that i don't bother to fix most of it.

I said nothing about your spelling. My point was that you (generally speaking) can't take a lack of misspelled words, on a messageboard with a spell check function, as an indication that homeschooling is better than not homeschooling (or etc.). And to a lesser degree, that lack of misspelled words does not indicate a superior education or upbringing when other assets such as grammar are not also "above average" - even if that were some kind of valid measure. (Esp. on boards with a spellcheck.)

I think BB got what I was saying. Hope.

If anything, BB was complimenting your spelling.

I recall a group of believers that thought their leader was great too, you know... the folks found dead with quarters in their pockets.

Exactly.

And I am so tired of all the pandering and coddling of these groups that goes on because "it's their beliefs" when meanwhile they're busy oppressing other people and treating Gays like dirt and teaching women to be subordinate to men.

I was on the LDS site and under "Women In the Church" it's very clear that women have a certain "role" they are expected to fit into, and that role is limited. They can't hold the highest offices in the church and the role of "mother" is praised above anything else.

Oppression! Suppression! Little girls should NOT be subjected to this!

Little girls should be encouraged to be whatever they want to be and NOT be brainwashed that having children is their "ultimate role".

It's SICK!

Why must religion always place women as secondary to men???

It's OFFENSIVE!

This religion is as crazy and nuts as any other cult out there.

In the mormon religion that I belong to we are taught that we are equal to men, however, we do have different roles in the home and church. Woman are encouraged to obtain higher education, to have self respect, and to be the best woman and in a lot of cases mothers we can be. If you look on the website at what we believe about famiies you will see why having children is encouraged and important in the plan of salvation.

The fact is that it all goes back to our free agency, noone is told what to do, ever! As woman we have the right to choose wether or not to have children. I personally love my children very much and feel bad for people who choose not to have any because they will never experience that love.

Boys in the church serve a mission as the age of 19 not 15, girls are also welcome to serve one too. Boys dont' have to serve one, my husband did and says it's the best thing he has ever done for himself and others. it changed him for the better.

We can drink caffeine and soda Pop. It must be the girls parents who don't let her drink those things, personal choice i guess. i had a friend wasn't aloud to have any red candy as a kid, they were catholic I don't think it had anything to do with their religion.

FYI

Mormons donated more money and had more people volunteer than any other organization for Hurricane Katrina

Mormons on average have a much lower divorce rate

lower cancer rates

are more likely to own a home

are more educated

have their own welfare system so it's members don't have to turn to the government for help, they take good care of their members and others.

The entire church is run by volunteers, noone is paid, not bishops, missionaries, noone.

The church is debt free and teaches it's members to follow that.

the point is that Mormoms have done a lot for society and are generally very honest hardworking, family oreinted people.

Here is quote that i heard and it has stuck with me since.

"I would rather have lived my life as it were true, to find out it's not, than to live my life as if it's not to find out it was true."

I don't think mormoms pressure their beliefs on anyone, we are just living our lives the best we can and helping others on the way. WE are all just people, here on this Earth together.

In the mormon religion that I belong to we are taught that we are equal to men

Then please do explain why only men can be priests.

Thanks.

because the priesthood is something that has been passed from man to man all the way back to Adam. It was never intended for a woman to have it. God is a man and it was passed from him to Adam first.

In the mormon religion that I belong to

Is there more than one? (I don't think so, but I really don't know).

Mormons donated more money and had more people volunteer than any other organization for Hurricane Katrina

Mormons on average have a much lower divorce rate

lower cancer rates

are more likely to own a home

are more educated

Gave more/lower rates/more likely/more educated... than what?

God is a man

There you go Sunta, that explains a lot of the much wider, much more generalized problem.

Is there more than one? (I don't think so, but I really don't know).

Gave more/lower rates/more likely/more educated... than what?

the average person. gave more than more any other organization or person.

I think you knew what i meant.

FYI

Mormons donated more money and had more people volunteer than any other organization for Hurricane Katrina

Mormons on average have a much lower divorce rate

lower cancer rates

are more likely to own a home

are more educated

have their own welfare system so it's members don't have to turn to the government for help, they take good care of their members and others.

The entire church is run by volunteers, noone is paid, not bishops, missionaries, noone.

The church is debt free and teaches it's members to follow that.

the point is that Mormoms have done a lot for society and are generally very honest hardworking, family oreinted people.

Lower divorce rate vs. which religions/people? Your divorce rate is higher than that of Catholics, Lutherans, agnostics, atheists, all seniors, and all those in the NE US.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_dira.htm

As for the rest, please provide your objective and neutral sources for your information.

God is a man.

How would God being a man have anything to do with whether or not women can be priests?

By nature of them not being allowed to be priests, they are held in an inferior position to men.

The first doctor was a man, but this doesn't mean women can't be doctors.

The first astronaut was a man, but this doesn't mean women can't be astronauts.

And so on and so forth.

God being a man does not, and should not equal "so women can't be priests". It does not make any logical sense as the two are not connected in a linear way in the argument.

Women can't be priests because they are held as inferior to men.

And therefore, the Mormon church views women as inferior to men.

Sunta...

HA! I wasn't going to touch that one, I knew you'd feel a spark over that!