Many of you on here know me well, I have been a part of these message boards for years. I love our members and I want only the best for them. Therefore, I can not in good conscience keep this to myself any longer.

Dr. Illan is a wonderful surgeon. In fact, when I used to coordinate, for a while I actually referred patients to him. His coordinator, Omar, has a very, very faithful following. So much so, I fully expect and am prepared for the "verbal beating" I am going to get for going public with what I know. But, if I prevent just one woman from experiencing what I am about to share with you, then it will all be worth it.

As I said, Omar is very well loved among the patients, especially the ladies. He goes out of his way to ensure everyone has a great experience while there. He provides for the patient's every need, transports them around town, runs errands for them, sits by their bedside and so much more. He is very charming and charismatic. There will be many, many members who will respond to this thread stating just that. In fact, when the first patient, one that I had referred to them, approached me about what happened to her, I did her a horrible disservice by not really believing what she told me, because Omar did such a good job of convincing me otherwise. But now, after six woman, some of whom I referred to Dr. Illan, some not, have contacted me regarding what happened to them, I know now that first patient was telling me the truth, she did not misinterpret anything and I must speak out.

So, what is it that I am speaking off? I am talking about taking advantage of woman who have traveled to a foreign country by themselves, most likely have low self-esteem due to their weight issues, they are scared and they are lonely. Then, along comes Omar. He is by their side throughout their stay. He is, as I said before, charming and charismatic. They very quickly find themselves falling victim to him, and he takes advantage of them in several different ways. He either is sexually suggestive to them, sexually inappropriate, or convinces these woman he truly cares for/loves them and begins a romantic relationship with them. Because of how vulnerable they are, they believe he really does care about them, and they allow themselves to be wooed by him and have a romantic and/or sexual relationship with him. Then, shortly after, he basically dumps them. He quits responding to their calls, texts, etc. He leaves these woman feeling broken and foolish for falling for him. They feel like they have done something wrong, when in fact, they are merely the victim of a heartless man taking extreme advantage of his position and their vulnerability. Understand, I am not saying this happens with every patient, but it does happen and it shows an extreme lack of professionalism and moral character.

I have attempted to contact Dr. Illan to speak with him personally about this. Unfortunately, Omar makes that nearly impossible. All calls, emails, etc. are intercepted by him. And, here is the saddest part of all, Dr. Illan already knows what is going on. So, I am doubtful my talking to him would make a difference. Dr. Illan knows Omar has a strong fan base, and therefore, brings him a great deal of business. So, he turns a blind eye to what is happening. Which, is why I have no guilt in publicly coming out and sharing what I know. I will be honest, my goal here is to have Omar removed from his position as coordinator with Baja Bariatrics and Dr. Illan, and to see that he does not work in this field or any other field where he can take advantage of woman again. And, if Dr. Illan goes down as a result, well, shame on him for allowing it to happen in the first place.

Well, we will have to agree to disagree Alex. . I have seen people fake post to support themselves many times (on other forums). It is a fairly small point anyway but I do not think my post should have been taken down.

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Edited July 23, 201412 yr by butterflybefree

Susan, I think your approach in this topic has been horrible.  You made a very aggressive and inflammatory post then immediately went on the attack on anyone who asked questions.  You tried to dismiss people as merely fangirls as if people don't have a brain and can think for themselves. I resent being told I am of a herd mentality and therefore my legitimate questions are not worthy of consideration.  That is an ad hominem attack.  I think you owe me an apology. 

 

Then again, it IS all about you. There is a real issue hidden somewhere in this post (edit: I meant thread). Let's all worry about that and not take everything so personally, eh?

Edited July 15, 201412 yr by woo woo

And that means what Woowoo.  I am not going to be dismissed as merely some fan girl. 

Edited July 15, 201412 yr by Travelmego

Susan, I think your approach in this topic has been horrible. You made a very aggressive and inflammatory post then immediately went on the attack on anyone who asked questions. You tried to dismiss people as merely fangirls as if people don't have a brain and can think for themselves. I resent being told I am of a herd mentality and therefore my legitimate questions are not worthy of consideration. That is an ad hominem attack. I think you owe me an apology.

If we are going to go there, where are the apologies owed to me? Claiming I have discredited multiple doctors, that I have created multiple fake ID's, that Alex, Bill and Lipsticklady are all fake names I have created? Claiming I was fired as a coordinator, when I actually resigned? Where are my apologies?

Even the fangirls are supporting that Omar had relationships with patients and there was enough information out there that they were warning friends about him.

Excellent observation!

So if an Dr. Illan patient shares their experience and says that they dislike the way this was handled, they are a bully and a fangirl? Real mature, people. I haven't bullied anyone or victim blamed anyone so please refrain from calling me names that are totally inaccurate.

Well I'm sorry but common sense tells me like it should anybody that you can't go off to MX and fall in love! Red flags everywhere so yea I tried to protect her. So I guess you got a point but why not make a general post and not just single out one person cause everyone going to MX needs to use common sense and safety. I'm sure he isn't the only one and I'm sure these ladies aren't the only ones that have had this happen with other "groups" it's not just Omar and Illan

I wasn't going to post but I gotta agree here! Yes I know 3 of these females myself. The sad truth is we personally tried to prevent one that we considered a friend from getting hurt before it happen but she wouldn't listen! She just knew this was "true love" it got to the point where she thought I was a hater lmao!! So we stopped speaking! Now everything we warned her about happen and now these women are playing the victim? Please they knew about eachother, hated eachother and now they are all buddy buddy trying to bring Omar down cause they are hurt and embarrassed! Yes Omar made mistakes and I talked to him many times and tried to make him see his ways but these ladies are adults. He would stop contacting them and yet they would threaten and black mail him so he would keep talking to them. It got to the point where I even stop talking to Omar cause I seen what was going to happen before it did! But I refuse to allow people to think these ladies are the victim here! He played them and he was wrong as hell but he is a man.. But they have to take some blame in this

Your post contradicts itself so much that my head is exploding.

You personally tried to prevent a friend from getting hurt but you don't want Susan and the other women that were exploited from trying to prevent others from getting hurt? You warned her about something happening and it did and now she's "playing" a victim? You say he "played them", but they are not victims? Wow!

Can we block threads? I'm tired of seeing ALL the bashing going on. I come here for support, not all this bullying. Not for anyone at all or against anyone. I think this all needs to be handled privately!

I am sorry this is upsetting you. You can easily unsubscribe. However, something inappropriate is happening, and people have a right to know.

You have made threads discrediting surgeons in Mexico. You may feel justified in having done that and I don't know one way or the other whether you are but don't deny doing that. I'm sure many of us have read those threads.

Susan, I think your approach in this topic has been horrible. You made a very aggressive and inflammatory post then immediately went on the attack on anyone who asked questions. You tried to dismiss people as merely fangirls as if people don't have a brain and can think for themselves. I resent being told I am of a herd mentality and therefore my legitimate questions are not worthy of consideration. That is an ad hominem attack. I think you owe me an apology.

If we are going to go there, where are the apologies owed to me? Claiming I have discredited multiple doctors, that I have created multiple fake ID's, that Alex, Bill and Lipsticklady are all fake names I have created? Claiming I was fired as a coordinator, when I actually resigned? Where are my apologies?

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Edited July 23, 201412 yr by butterflybefree

Wow this is nuts.  Please show me where I have said you have discredited mulitple posts, or that alex,  or lipstick lady are fake names you created or that you were fired?  The only thing I said was you posted under a fake name that was created last night to support your arguments and I had the EVIDENCE in a form of a screen shot to show why I felt that way. Now show me where I have said what you now accuse me of saying. This is getting beyond ridiculous.   

 

You know what, I don't even care.  This thread is going nowhere. I can't even get my very reasonable questions answered without being shrilly accused of all kinds of nonsense. I certainly haven't been attacking any alleged victims. 

 

I'm done. Yet another reasonable person probably run off from the entire site (not sure yet but most likely)  by the clique of old friends here.  I mean what can you do when the owner of the site paid for the surgery for the person making the original post and has come on supporting her ad naseum?  It seems the rest of us have no protection unless we fall in line with the clique. We can't even ask questions for clarification.

Edited July 15, 201412 yr by Travelmego

I am sorry this is upsetting you. You can easily unsubscribe. However, something inappropriate is happening, and people have a right to know.

I'm not subscribed. I'm on my phone and this is ALWAYS at the top when I am looking at the others. This thread needs to be locked or deleted. This is no what I come here for.

Don't open the thread anymore.

I'm not excusing the behavior of a married woman. Ultimately she is married and responsible for her actions. But as an obese, insecure women going through an extremely stressful time, we are vulnerable. It does not excuse her behavior, but it sure as hell doesn't justify his. The surgeon is responsible for EVERY aspect of test practice. Even if he doesn't know about it, if it involves his practice, he is responsible. His primary duty is to keep his patient safe from harm. This includes emotional harm.

Well I'm sorry but common sense tells me like it should anybody that you can't go off to MX and fall in love! Red flags everywhere so yea I tried to protect her. So I guess you got a point but why not make a general post and not just single out one person cause everyone going to MX needs to use common sense and safety. I'm sure he isn't the only one and I'm sure these ladies aren't the only ones that have had this happen with other "groups" it's not just Omar and Illan

Have you heard of it happening at another bariatric surgical clinic?