I don't know if anyone has heard the news, but there is a claim that the boxes that Jesus and his family were buried in have been found.

"While the Bible tells the story of Jesus and his resurrection, this box could show physical evidence that he existed, was buried and that he had a son, Judah."

While that might upset those that believe in the word for word Bible, it will not interfere with my faith, because, I don't care if it was the human body of Jesus that was resurrected or a hologram type image that one could put their hand through. It is all the same to me.

I guess some group will come out with a new connotation of the word “resurrected” (was that in Greek, Hebrew of Aramaic?), so that the people who need a literal Bible can say, "I told you so", while others will deny any facts that may be shown "as science run a muck".

It is nice to know that until "Global Warming" destroys the Earth (or at least its ability to support human life), there will be something interesting to debate.

By the way, I was discussing this fact with a friend on our way back from Lexington, Kentucky this afternoon. I told her that I was in an online discussion about how religious fundamentalists are more likely to become religious terrorists than other members of that religion.

Her response? "Well, duh."

Actually, there is an option C) I don't care and I think everyone should be able to believe what they want to believe.

I do believe everyone should be able to believe what they want to believe. I never for a INSTANT said people have to believe what I believe!

Can we stop the yelling now? What I said was the when we die, something will happen. So either the athiests are right, or the people who believe in an afterlife are right. Believe in everything, believe in nothing, believe that everyone has a right to believe what they want to believe -- whatever! But SOMETHING will happen when you die, even if that something is nothing.

It does not have to be right and wrong, black or white, A or B. I don't believe what you do. You don't believe what I do. I am not going to judge you for your faith, therefore you are not wrong in my eyes, you just believe differently than I do. It would be very hard for anyone to be wrong about something that is unproven. I can only say that in my world, there is no soul. I cannot say that someone else is wrong because in their world, there is. It's not a matter of being PC. Keep in mind you are having this discussion with someone who doesn't believe in either free will or absolute reality. Given that, it takes a whole lot (IMO) to back up any claims of "wrongness". And this is one area where we're not likely to have evidence one way or the other.

I do believe everyone should be able to believe what they want to believe. I never for a INSTANT said people have to believe what I believe!

I did not make that statement saying that you were, for Pete's sake!

Can we stop the yelling now?

By the way, I was "yelling" because the message apparently wasn't getting across in smaller print.

I would like a reply to the PM I sent last night, please. To me, not replying basically proves my point.

Could it also mean that I'm busy?

You want to accuse others of hate and bashing without taking acceptance for your own actions and the actions of the others in your group.

What have I done that's hateful?

By the way, what's this about pro-abortion? That's a inaccurate term intended to stir up controversy. Do you want me to call pro-lifers pro-rape-babyists? Pro-choice does not equal pro-abortion, it equals pro-choice.

Actually, I don't say pro-choice because I don't think it accurately conveys what the choice is. I will be happy to call myself anti-abortion if you prefer. But people who believe abortion is an acceptable thing to do are pro-abortion, just like people who believe terrorism is an acceptable thing to do are pro-terrorism.

Keep in mind you are having this discussion with someone who doesn't believe in either free will or absolute reality.

Wow -- that's a surprise. I want to make sure I'm understanding that you are talking about yourself here. You don't believe in free will and you don't believe in absolute reality? If that's the case then I completely understand why beliefs don't make a difference. (Lest you misinterpret, I am not judging you with my last statement. It actually helps me to understand you more.)

What have I done that's hateful?

You've defended the hateful words of others.

But people who believe abortion is an acceptable thing to do are pro-abortion, just like people who believe terrorism is an acceptable thing to do are pro-terrorism.

No, we're not. I am pro-choice because I believe a woman has a right to control her own body. I am NOT pro-abortion. I hate the practice, I wish it was never needed. But I still think safe, legal abortions should be given to women who want them.

Could it also mean that I'm busy?

Well, apparently you have time to post on LBT. I think that if you have time to talk on a message board, you have time to sacrifice a couple of minutes to write a PM.

The reason I object to "pro-abortion" is that it carries a message that all pro-choicers are out there saying, "Go have an abortion, it's fun!" We aren't.

There's a difference between being pro-choice and being pro-abortion. The abortion has nothing to do with it, it's about having the choice. I'm pro free speech. I don't *like* hearing people swear around young children, but I would still argue for their right to do it.

You've defended the hateful words of others.

I disagree.

I am NOT pro-abortion. I hate the practice, I wish it was never needed.

If it's a morally neutral act, if there's nothing wrong with it, if it's just a woman messing with her own body, why do you hate it?

I don't hate people who have kidney transplants. I don't hate people who get tattoos. Morally neutral acts don't inspire my hatred. I don't care what people do with their own body. The only time I hate an action is when it hurts (or kills) another human being.

Yes, I am talking about myself.

Well, apparently you have time to post on LBT. I think that if you have time to talk on a message board, you have time to sacrifice a couple of minutes to write a PM.

I told you up front that my PM's were very limited (I'm up to 248 out of 250 right now). You also responded to me at 11:55pm. And my time has been devoted today to a very vocal and public group of attacks. I apologize that your PM was not my first priority. Maybe I'll have time to get to it tonight.

Yes, I am talking about myself.

Thanks, Wheetsin. That really does help me to understand where you're coming from. I am a bit surprised, though, because you seem, in prior posts, to have relied heavily on science and scientific proof. I've never known someone who doesn't believe in absolute reality that also believes in scientific proof. But that's a topic for another thread :biggrin1:.