Someone recently passed this article on to me, which I posted on another board. It was promptly removed. So sad . . .

Frightening News from France

Once again, the real news in France is conveniently

not being reported as it should. To give you an idea

of what's going on in France where there are now

between 5 and 6 million Muslims and about 600,000 Jews,

here is an email that came from a Jew living in

France. Please read! Will the world say nothing - again - as it did in Hitler's time?

"I AM A JEW -- therefore I am forwarding this to

everyone on all my e-mail lists. I will not sit back

and do nothing." Nowhere have the flames of

anti-Semitism burned more furiously than in France:

Lyon, a car was rammed into a synagogue and set

on fire. In Montpellier, the Jewish religious center

was firebombed; so were synagogues in Strasbourg and

Marseilles; so was a Jewish school in Creteil - all recently.

A Jewish sports club in Toulouse was attacked with

Molotov cocktails, and on the statue of Alfred

Dreyfus in Paris, the words "Dirty Jew" were

painted. In Bondy, 15 men beat up members of a

Jewish football team with sticks and metal bars. The

bus that takes Jewish children to school in

Aubervilliers has been attacked three times in the last 14 months.

According to the Police, metropolitan Paris has seen

10 to 12 anti-Jewish incidents PER DAY in the past

30 days. Walls in Jewish neighborhoods have been

defaced with slogans proclaiming "Jews to the gas

chambers" and "Death to the Jews."

A gunman opened fire on a Kosher butcher's shop

(and, of course, the butcher) in Toulouse , France;

a Jewish couple in their 20s were beaten up by five

men in Villeurbanne , France . The woman was

pregnant; a Jewish school was broken into and

vandalized in Sarcelles , France . This was just in

the past week.

So I call on you, whether you are a fellow Jew, a

friend, or merely a person with the capacity and

desire to distinguish decency from depravity, to do,

at least, these three simple things:

First, care enough to stay informed. Don't ever let

yourself become deluded into thinking that this is

no t your fight. I remind you of what Pastor

Neimoller said in World War II: "First they came for

the Communists, and I didn't speak up, because I

wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and

I didn't speak up, because I wasn't a Jew. Then they

came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up,

because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me,

and by that time there was no one left to speak up

for me".

Second, boycott France and French products. Only the

Arab countries are more toxically anti-Semitic and,

unlike them, France exports more than just oil and

hatred. So boycott their wines and their perfumes.

Boycott their clothes and their foodstuffs. Boycott

their movies. Definitely boycott their shores. If

we are resolved we can exert amazing pressure and,

whatever else we may know about the French, we most

certainly know that they are like a cobweb in a

hurricane in the face of well directed pressure.

Third, send this along to your family, your friends,

and your co-workers. Think of all of the people of

good conscience that you know and let them know

that you and the people that you care about need

their help. The number one best selling book in

France is "September 11: The Frightening Fraud,"

which argues that no plane ever hit the Pentagon."

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Oh and Ron, as a scientist, you do need to do waaay more research on global warming than to take a non-scientists take that its bunk, other than she spouts the same rhetoric that you believe to be true for Bush.

When we went to Alaska last summer we were shown areas that used to hold massive glaciers for all of recorded history until recently. The people who live there told us that they had never seen the glaciers melting as much as they are today. That's just one girl's experience, obviously isn't scientific or perhaps even true. But it sure made me think a lot about whether we should believe the scientists and environmentalists or whether we should believe the politicians and people who say they just don't buy it, because this is just a cyclical change we're experiencing.

Besides, would you rather believe your president or your lying eyes?

Oof! Green wishes she was there with you, grrl.......... It would have been very much fun to see an important part of the globe with someone fun, eh. Green has also got to admit that she has attempted to travel in the polar regions a number of times now but has found this to be very difficult and very expensive. It is much easier and cheaper for Canuck Grrl to go to India or Turkey than to travel to the polar regions.:phanvan Colour this grrl green with envy, eh............

So I'm asking again, because if you answered I didn't see your response. If you profess to be a Christian and do NOT believe the Bible is literal, do you believe that Jesus is the Son of God, that He was crucified, died, and was resurrected on the third day?

The title Lucifer, means light-bringer, and he's frequently referred to as the Morning Star.

In the Bible, Jesus frequently refers to himself as the Morning Star.

Is Jesus an avatar of Lucifer?

People keep speaking of Hell. But in the Bible, there is no Hell. There is only Paradise and outside the gates of Paradise. (In what I've read, at least). Could someone point me to Hell?

What about the books that didn't make it into the Bible? The Gospel of Thomas? The Gospel of Enoch?

No one comes to faith in Jesus through anything other than the Bible.

And just as you may get accused of beating a dead horse, telling people they have to believe my way or they're going to hell, and a host of other things -- I may get accused of ripping things apart, whining, being pathetic, vile, disgusting, and telling lies from the bowels of hell. Oh wait, I already have.

But I do have an honest comment, which could be interpreted as a question as well. I believe people come to faith in Jesus through other people all the time. So I'm not sure if "through" means "through reading", or "through analzying", or what. Do you believe that everyone out there who would answer "Yes!" to the question, "Do you have faith in Jesus" has read the bible?

The term "Morning Star" is used twice in scripture, KJV and both time it refers to jesus and is located in the Rook of Revelations.

Allow me to point out HELL to you that you say does not appear in the Bible . . .

Matt. 5:22 Matt: 5:29 Matt: 10:28 Matt: 11:23 Matt: 16:18

Matt: 18:9 Matt: 23:15 Matt:23.33 Mark 9:43 Mark 9:45

Mark: 9:47 Luke: 10:15 Luke: 12:5 Luke: 16:23 Acts: 2:27

Act: 2:31 James 3:6 2Peter 2:4 Rev: 1:18 Rev. 6:8

Rev: 20:13 Rev: 20:14

The books of The Gospel of Thomas? The Gospel of Enoch are not canon because the theologians did not consider them inspired, accurate or to have spiritual authority.

You are wrong on all three points!

The title Lucifer, means light-bringer, and he's frequently referred to as the Morning Star.

In the Bible, Jesus frequently refers to himself as the Morning Star.

Is Jesus an avatar of Lucifer?

People keep speaking of Hell. But in the Bible, there is no Hell. There is only Paradise and outside the gates of Paradise. (In what I've read, at least). Could someone point me to Hell?

What about the books that didn't make it into the Bible? The Gospel of Thomas? The Gospel of Enoch?

Coming to faith in Jesus literally means "believing we is who he claims to be, believing what he claims to have done, and accepting him as your sin offering to God"!

So I think your question actually is, HOW do people come to faith in Jesus. The scriptures say "faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God" (the Bible) It is the scriptures that bring about faith, but the knowledge of the scriptures could come from reading them yourself, believing the testimony of someone else, hearing a preacher, etc. Ultimately, it is the message contained within the scriptures that bring about saving faith.

Does this explain it?

And just as you may get accused of beating a dead horse, telling people they have to believe my way or they're going to hell, and a host of other things -- I may get accused of ripping things apart, whining, being pathetic, vile, disgusting, and telling lies from the bowels of hell. Oh wait, I already have.

But I do have an honest comment, which could be interpreted as a question as well. I believe people come to faith in Jesus through other people all the time. So I'm not sure if "through" means "through reading", or "through analzying", or what. Do you believe that everyone out there who would answer "Yes!" to the question, "Do you have faith in Jesus" has read the bible?

PS - I don't consider this "ripping things apart, whining, being pathetic, vile, disgusting, and telling lies from the bowels of hell"! I consider it a good and legitimate question worthy of a serious answer.

And just as you may get accused of beating a dead horse, telling people they have to believe my way or they're going to hell, and a host of other things -- I may get accused of ripping things apart, whining, being pathetic, vile, disgusting, and telling lies from the bowels of hell. Oh wait, I already have.

But I do have an honest comment, which could be interpreted as a question as well. I believe people come to faith in Jesus through other people all the time. So I'm not sure if "through" means "through reading", or "through analzying", or what. Do you believe that everyone out there who would answer "Yes!" to the question, "Do you have faith in Jesus" has read the bible?

Not gonna answer me?

Lisa made my point about believing without having to take the Bible literally word for word. I made it earlier too, but thanks Lisa for repeating what we've already said over, and over and over. Maybe if we say it a few more times it will sink in.

I tell you what then, when the Taliban and Osama come for a visit, you be the first one to greet them with a kiss!

Are they going to fly "Air Taliban" or "Air Al-Quiada"? Or are they coming in their war ships or air force?

BTW, how come your hero, George W. BuSh gave the Taliban $43,000,000 in April or May of 2001?

Anyway, I hope t he way of Jesus is not to torture 100 innocent Muslims until we find one bad one. If we do that, we may be creating 99 bad ones.

St. John VI, 1-15: " After these things Jesus went over the sea of Galilee, which is the sea of Tiberias. And a great multitude followed him, because they saw his miracles which he did on them that were diseased. And Jesus went up into a mountain, and there he sat with his disciples. And the passover, a feast of the Jews, was nigh. When Jesus then lifted up his eyes, and saw a great company come unto him, he saith unto Philip, Whence shall we buy bread, that these may eat? And this he said to prove him: for he himself knew what he would do. Philip answered him, Two hundred penny-worth of bread is not sufficient for them, that everyone of them may take a little. One of his disciples, Andrew, Simon Peter's brother, saith unto him, There is a lad here, which hath five barley loaves, and two small fishes: but what are they among so many? And Jesus said, Make the men sit down. Now there was much grass in the place. So the men sat down, in number about five thousand. And Jesus took the loaves; and when he had given thanks, he distributed to the disciples, and the disciples to them that were set down; and likewise of the fishes as much as they would. When they were filled, he said unto his disciples, Gather up the fragments that remain, that nothing be lost. Therefore they gathered them together, and filled twelve baskets with the fragments of the five barley loaves, which remained over and above unto them that had eaten. Then those men, when they had seen the miracle that Jesus did, said, This is of a truth that prophet that should come into the world. When Jesus therefore perceived that they would come and take him by force, to make him a king, he departed again into a mountain himself alone."

Just like Jesus, BuSh has Multiplied the terrorist threat by treating innocent Muslims like they were bad. The result has been the greatest recruitment drive that Al-Quiada could hope for. Yes, BuSh has taken a page right from the Bible.

Are you adressing that to me, and if so, what are you talking about?

Not gonna answer me?

The term "Morning Star" is used twice in scripture, KJV and both time it refers to jesus and is located in the Rook of Revelations.

Allow me to point out HELL to you that you say does not appear in the Bible . . .

Matt. 5:22 Matt: 5:29 Matt: 10:28 Matt: 11:23 Matt: 16:18

Matt: 18:9 Matt: 23:15 Matt:23.33 Mark 9:43 Mark 9:45

Mark: 9:47 Luke: 10:15 Luke: 12:5 Luke: 16:23 Acts: 2:27

Act: 2:31 James 3:6 2Peter 2:4 Rev: 1:18 Rev. 6:8

Rev: 20:13 Rev: 20:14

The books of The Gospel of Thomas? The Gospel of Enoch are not canon because the theologians did not consider them inspired, accurate or to have spiritual authority.

Christianity has a great depth of spiritual mysticism, and esoteric knowledge to offer. Unfortunately, much of it is lost to literal interpretations and inept priests.

You are wrong on all three points!

Not really. Typical round-about.

1) You never addressed the first point. You're only arguing about the frequency of how often Jesus refers to himself as the Morning Star.

2) I stated in what I've read, there is Paradise, and then the gnashing of teeth of those who are locked out of Paradise. I asked to have the actual "Hell" pointed out to me, as I'm curious about where it is.

3) More likely, it's because what they have to say challenges the uninspired, idiotic dogma of the Church.

I think there's a difference between Christianity and Churchianty. The Church is an institution that thrives on blind faith, constant donations, and inane dogma.

Maybe we should have just given them free medical care, Visa cards and drivers licences without ID, like the illegal immigrants, and maybe those big, bad terrorists would then be nice to us! If you love them so much, I am sure you could find a home there if you didn't mind giving up your comfortable western lifestyle. I mean, that would be the "liberal" thing to do, right!

Are they going to fly "Air Taliban" or "Air Al-Quiada"? Or are they coming in their war ships or air force?

BTW, how come your hero, George W. BuSh gave the Taliban $43,000,000 in April or May of 2001?

Anyway, I hope t he way of Jesus is not to torture 100 innocent Muslims until we find one bad one. If we do that, we may be creating 99 bad ones.

St. John VI, 1-15: " After these things Jesus went over the sea of Galilee, which is the sea of Tiberias. And a great multitude followed him, because they saw his miracles which he did on them that were diseased. And Jesus went up into a mountain, and there he sat with his disciples. And the passover, a feast of the Jews, was nigh. When Jesus then lifted up his eyes, and saw a great company come unto him, he saith unto Philip, Whence shall we buy bread, that these may eat? And this he said to prove him: for he himself knew what he would do. Philip answered him, Two hundred penny-worth of bread is not sufficient for them, that everyone of them may take a little. One of his disciples, Andrew, Simon Peter's brother, saith unto him, There is a lad here, which hath five barley loaves, and two small fishes: but what are they among so many? And Jesus said, Make the men sit down. Now there was much grass in the place. So the men sat down, in number about five thousand. And Jesus took the loaves; and when he had given thanks, he distributed to the disciples, and the disciples to them that were set down; and likewise of the fishes as much as they would. When they were filled, he said unto his disciples, Gather up the fragments that remain, that nothing be lost. Therefore they gathered them together, and filled twelve baskets with the fragments of the five barley loaves, which remained over and above unto them that had eaten. Then those men, when they had seen the miracle that Jesus did, said, This is of a truth that prophet that should come into the world. When Jesus therefore perceived that they would come and take him by force, to make him a king, he departed again into a mountain himself alone."

Just like Jesus, BuSh has Multiplied the terrorist threat by treating innocent Muslims like they were bad. The result has been the greatest recruitment drive that Al-Quiada could hope for. Yes, BuSh has taken a page right from the Bible.

Maybe we should have just given them free medical care, Visa cards and drivers licences without ID, like the illegal immigrants, and maybe those big, bad terrorists would then be nice to us! If you love them so much, I am sure you could find a home there if you didn't mind giving up your comfortable western lifestyle. I mean, that would be the "liberal" thing to do, right!

WTF? Uh, yeah, and the conservative neo-con thing to do is to give terrorist organizations a butt-load of money, fly Bin Laden's family out of the US so they don't get questioned, protect Saudi Arabia even though most of the terrorists came from there, start a war with a country that has nothing to do with the terrorists but has oil, lie to the American people repeatedly and send thousands of our children to their death.

But, yeah, lets sit here and make inane comments about the liberals, because they're soooooo dangerous.

I am asking because I truly, truly don't understand how someone can believe that Jesus is the Son of God, that he was crucified, died, and was resurrected on the third day UNLESS they acquire this knowledge from the Bible. And if they DO acquire this knowledge from the Bible, why do they not believe the other claims of the Bible?

No one comes to faith in Jesus through anything other than the Bible. It's not something you dream about or make up. You cannot know about Jesus unless you are told about or read about Him, and the text from which you read or from which the person telling you read is the Bible. The claim that someone is the Son of God and that He was resurrected after death is a rather fantastic one and does require faith to believe. I acknowledge that. My question is by what logical, consistent grounds does one accept this particular fantastic belief but not the rest of the text from which it came?

I'm sure I'll get accused of attacking, beating a dead horse, telling people they have to believe my way or they're going to hell, and a host of other things. Please note I have said none of these things. I am HONESTLY asking the question because I DON'T GET IT. So please, please, would someone explain it to me? I WANT to understand.

I came to it without believing in the Bible as a literal document. Because you can't do it or because you can not imagine how anyone could, does not mean it can't be done.

Do you know how an airplane flies?

If not, do you doubt that it can fly?