I have been sleeved myself since march 16th down over 20lbs and feeling like my body is back to normal so to speak.

In the last few weeks I have come to understand that its possible to go to a clinic that doesn't take proper precautions and many are having leaks and infections. One lady I heard ran up a $285,000 hospital bill in the U.S. after her lowest price sleeve turned into a night mare.

Another lady I talked to quit one clinic she worked at that had many leaks and infections.

She also told me that these same people that got mistreated DON'T speak up about it afterward.

Please if you have had a bad experience speak up! When a lot of these are coming out of the same place we should be able to collectively do something about it!

I feel so bad that there are many people going to places (with lowest VSG price) that are ramming people through without proper care (because they are doing 12 per day in the same O.R) and then ending up with leaks, infections and feeding tubes, man this is so bad!!!

Please lets do something about this to save the misery of others.

Lan2k and Oregondaisy ....

Just want to make sure I understand the rules here .....

if you both agree with the poster's opinion then it is ok for them to post but

if you both disagree with the poster's opinion, it is ok to call that person names and be rude and they are not allowed to post??

seems I read something above, from more than one person, including your bff, that said people with good experiences should also be allowed to post.

does that not apply to me?? Really, I am so very incredibly sorry that I had a good experience and have seen first hand twice how things work down there. (you and your bff haven't right???, just going on hearsay, right???)

bummer, I guess I should have had serious complications so I could be in the "cool" group and not in the "hated" group.

LMFAO again

Group? I must have missed something. I personally do not affiliate myself with any such "group" or label such as "cool" or "hated". There's an argument between those of us who protest the undermining and intimidation of anyone who discloses the probable causes for a number of infections and leaks coming from a facility that you have had success with, and other's, such as yourself, who defend the facility by offensive and false accusation. In fact those of us who have been genuine have argued quite rationally, mainly stating facts.

I certainly don't "hate" you nor do I recall calling you any "names" for posting your good experience. To suggest that I might prefer that you would have suffered any complications is preposterous. I simply resent arrogance and lack of humility.

I have no doubt that we can have a relevant discussion, even a debate, without people getting real personal and unpleasant. Obviously emotions run high on this subject though and it is always difficult to read someone's posts and know for sure whether they are actually intentionally being harsh. Sometimes it just sounds like we're being mean when we aren't feeling that way at all. I don't think we should get upset anyway when someone has something they want and need to say. We should just try to keep our posts straight and honest. I haven't been posting for very long but I have learned a whole lot. I am very happy to have this resource.

This is in response to wanalise's post on the previous page.

Edited April 27, 201016 yr by BJean

I have no doubt that we can have a relevant discussion, even a debate, without people getting real personal and unpleasant. Obviously emotions run high on this subject though and it is always difficult to read someone's posts and know for sure whether they are actually intentionally being harsh. Sometimes it just sounds like we're being mean when we aren't feeling that way at all. I don't think we should get upset anyway when someone has something they want and need to say. We should just try to keep our posts straight and honest. I haven't been posting for very long but I have learned a whole lot. I am very happy to have this resource.

This is in response to wanalise's post on the previous page.

Bjean,

I agree wholeheartedly with what you have to say. Clearly, many people here feel that I have crossed the line with my earlier post. That may well be the case. As a grown woman, I'll take the heat for that and deal with it.

My apolopies for what may have been rude discourse were quite sincere, otherwise I would not have included my apologies in the post. I feel that I have engaged in generic debate in expressing my opinion as others have for most of this thread. Unfortunately, I reached the point where my level of tolerance for what I felt was insensitive behavior toward people who have experienced complications had reached its limit.

I guess in my mind, people who are ill or have been ill and are perhaps still too emotionally hurt to speak up for themselves deserve some defense. Perhaps the nature of online discussion caused me to be more zealous and direct in that defense. After having read several stories of people's experiences with tears in my eyes, I wrote something that was laying heavy on my heart. Call it bitchy, childish, rude, or whatever you will. I have no problem admitting that all of what I said was not necessary to make my point. Much of it was said from emotions. I feel that many of us have been beating our head against a wall trying to make a point in a generic, vague way and I was tired of beating my head against the wall. So, accept it or not, the apology stands...

Mary to be real honest, I think that many people reading it were secretly doing a thumbs up. I too get tired of people being so artifically nice that it is worthless drivil. Well, I am guilty of that and for that I apologize.

Btw, youi write extremely well, have great points to make and I don't have to work hard at figuring out what you've said. I love that and I can say that I appreciate your posts very much.

Wish me luck. My surgery is at 7:00 a.m. tomorrow. I should be in bed but I can't sleep!

Bjean,

I agree wholeheartedly with what you have to say. Clearly, many people here feel that I have crossed the line with my earlier post. That may well be the case. As a grown woman, I'll take the heat for that and deal with it.

My apolopies for what may have been rude discourse were quite sincere, otherwise I would not have included my apologies in the post. I feel that I have engaged in generic debate in expressing my opinion as others have for most of this thread. Unfortunately, I reached the point where my level of tolerance for what I felt was insensitive behavior toward people who have experienced complications had reached its limit.

I guess in my mind, people who are ill or have been ill and are perhaps still too emotionally hurt to speak up for themselves deserve some defense. Perhaps the nature of online discussion caused me to be more zealous and direct in that defense. After having read several stories of people's experiences with tears in my eyes, I wrote something that was laying heavy on my heart. Call it bitchy, childish, rude, or whatever you will. I have no problem admitting that all of what I said was not necessary to make my point. Much of it was said from emotions. I feel that many of us have been beating our head against a wall trying to make a point in a generic, vague way and I was tired of beating my head against the wall. So, accept it or not, the apology stands...

Mary, I'll be completely honest with you.

I was almost doing fricken cartwheels in my living room while reading your post. I guess it pretty much was "hi, pot meet kettle" post, and it was something that I wanted to state several times when this debate comes up, but I'm not as eloquent or well, truthfully nice as you were.

I truly applaud you for making some of the most valid points that I've attempted to discuss and something just seems to get lost in translation along the way.

Prayer and best wishes to you BJean...may your surgery be uneventful and recovery smooth.

Thanks, I'm home. Yesterday went well, I guess. It was quite frankly more difficult than the band surgery for me. I never had to take pain meds when I came home after the band but I am having to make sure I get them with this reivision.

I really appreciate your support lan2k, and Tiff I may be up to talking before long. Yeah, that's a threat. :-)

Thanks, I'm home. Yesterday went well, I guess. It was quite frankly more difficult than the band surgery for me. I never had to take pain meds when I came home after the band but I am having to make sure I get them with this reivision.

I really appreciate your support lan2k, and Tiff I may be up to talking before long. Yeah, that's a threat. :-)

Hang in there BJean...You will feel better each day...Here for you so don't hesitate to ask anything.

The 1st couple of days are a bit rough... its smooth sailing from there. Congrats !!!!

Hope you feel better soon BJean!

Our sleeve dates are one day apart.One year ago today, I had my surgery and it's been a happy year for me.

You're going to love being band free and living with the sleeve!

Thanks, I'm home. Yesterday went well, I guess. It was quite frankly more difficult than the band surgery for me. I never had to take pain meds when I came home after the band but I am having to make sure I get them with this reivision.

I really appreciate your support lan2k, and Tiff I may be up to talking before long. Yeah, that's a threat. :-)

I'm excited to see that you are sleeved and home recovering. Please keep us updated on your progress. And thanks for your earlier post. I really appreciate it.

Mary, I'll be completely honest with you.

I was almost doing fricken cartwheels in my living room while reading your post. I guess it pretty much was "hi, pot meet kettle" post, and it was something that I wanted to state several times when this debate comes up, but I'm not as eloquent or well, truthfully nice as you were.

I truly applaud you for making some of the most valid points that I've attempted to discuss and something just seems to get lost in translation along the way.

Thanks Tiff, I appreciate that. I am glad I haven't totally worn out my welcome here by going a little postal on this issue. I have decided that this surgery is going to save my life and I don't think I'll be as successful as I could be without the support of this forum.

Thanks for all the good wishes. I will let you know how it goes and I'm sure I will have tons of questions as I go along.

This is a fanstastic resource. If I didn't have your input I am sure I would have been thinking that there was something really wrong yesterday. It's so different from the band surgery. And the burning and nausea and stuff is no darned fun. But evidentially it's fairly normal and time will heal the wounds.

thanks you all!

Bjean, this subject seems to be to bash people and doctors and not for support. That is why I'm not posting more. I not going to feed the negative people.

Well I thought this thread was for posting problems so that we could learn from other people's experiences. We've read here that Dr. Alamanza and that clinic have been the only ones that have super-negative experiences posted about them. I thought that it would be beneficial if you had a complication, that you would tell us who and where it took place. And it would be more fair than to just have this one name and clinic come up all the time.

Your post makes you sound better. I hope that's true. I had my surgery on Wednesday. I'm really sore and uncomfortable, but better than yesterday so that's good, right?