So with the New Health Care Reform passed through the House. Who is for or against it?? Why or why not?

I am not in favor. My opinion (whether it's right or wrong) is why should we pay for the people who are too lazy to get a job just so they can have health insurance? Now it's different if they are disabled and unable to work. But these people who won't get off their butts to get a job shouldn't get subsidized health care that we, tax payers, are paying for!

Edited November 8, 200916 yr by TN_girl21

I'm wretching.

Doesn't it just make you want to join her faith? Certainly explains why she embraces the extremist right wing rethoric and hangs on for dear life.

Ain't it a punch in the gut the depth of ignorance and arrogance. I think I lost a couple IQ points off that......

I'm wretching.

Doesn't it just make you want to join her faith? Certainly explains why she embraces the extremist right wing rethoric and hangs on for dear life.

For the record, that 'monologue', as Leigha calls it, had nothing to do with my faith. Facts are facts. Whether you like them or not.

We will remember the tyranny, the power grab, the overt

manipulation, the backroom deals, the closed-door sessions,the condescension toward the American people, the disenfranchising of constituents, the steamrolling of

the legislative process, the subversion of the Constitution, and the outright disregard of the rule of law in NOVEMBER! I can't wait for the elections to come. Yeah!

Thanks to ObamaCare, the IRS alone is poised to hire 16,500

new agents, who will act as the bill's "enforcement agency."

When Nancy Pelosi said that healthcare reform would

create 40,000 new jobs immediately, we didn't realize

that almost half of them would be IRS agents!

And this is just the beginning. There are literally

scores of new bureaucracies listed in the 2,700 pages of

the President's final bill. The ancillary costs of

this government takeover will far exceed what was

projected by its sponsors.

The effects of ObamaCare are already being calculated in

the private sector. According to the Wall Street Journal,

ObamaCare's cost to American corporations could reach

$14 billion this year!

Companies like AT&T, John Deere, MedTronic, AK Steel, 3M,

Caterpillar, and Valero Energy have already counted the

cost to their bottom line for the upcoming year - and

the effects are staggering. Of course, American citizens

will ultimately pay the price for these rising costs.

The "hidden costs" will not be limited to increased taxes,

but will also show up in increased process costs for

products and services. Those ancillary costs are never

calculated by the CBO, a fact which is noted in their

projections. And, of course, the CBO heavily disclaimed

their report and the "assumptions" foisted on them

by ObamaCare's architects.

We will remember the tyranny, the power grab, the overt

manipulation, the backroom deals, the closed-door sessions,the condescension toward the American people, the disenfranchising of constituents, the steamrolling of

the legislative process, the subversion of the Constitution, and the outright disregard of the rule of law in NOVEMBER! I can't wait for the elections to come. Yeah!

You might as well remember it like that, you have the rest of history screwed up already.

We will remember the tyranny, the power grab, the overt

manipulation, the backroom deals, the closed-door sessions,the condescension toward the American people, the disenfranchising of constituents, the steamrolling of

the legislative process, the subversion of the Constitution, and the outright disregard of the rule of law in NOVEMBER! I can't wait for the elections to come. Yeah!

Funniest thing, we're looking forward to the November elections too. Especially if your side keeps up with the kind of stuff they've been spewing. :frown:

We will remember the tyranny, the power grab, the overt

manipulation, the backroom deals, the closed-door sessions,the condescension toward the American people, the disenfranchising of constituents, the steamrolling of

the legislative process, the subversion of the Constitution, and the outright disregard of the rule of law in NOVEMBER! I can't wait for the elections to come. Yeah!

And we will remember the hypocrisy of the party of no that voted against the stimulus while taking credit for it to their constituents

We will remember how well the RNC was a steward of their own money when an employee used almost $2000 of donator's money to visit a strip/bondage club.

We will remember the sex scandals of the party who claims the high ground on morality.

We will remember those who would continue to die each year from the lack of healthcare the republicans would still continue to deny them.

We will remember their lies about healthcare and see them fall apart one by one as the provisions of the bill unfold.

We will remember the republicans who stood with those in the tea party while same was spitting on and yelling to black representatives.

We will remember those republicans who stood with the tea party when they published the addresses of democrats online and one of their brother's had the gas line cut at his home.

We will remember how the democrats took the sinking economy and turned it around and by every economist's analysis is improving.

We will remember that most of the deficit we now have was inherited from bush for his tax cuts for the rich, two wars and big giveaway to pharma, all unfunded.

We will remember the shocking lack of decorum when a republican member of congress yelled "you lie" to our Commander in Chief at a state of the union and another yelled "baby killer" to an anti-abortion democrat.

We will remember that the democratic party is the party of yes, we can (and yes, we did) while the republican party is the party of hell, no.

I will do my part to make sure that people remember.

Edited April 1, 201016 yr by Cleo's Mom

Great rebuttal, Cleo's!

but I gotta ask...

"stook"?

Great rebuttal, Cleo's!

but I gotta ask...

"stook"?

Oops! typo - now corrected.:frown:

You know I'm kidding you, right? Your posts are always so cool and gramatically correct I couldn't resist. Please jump on me when you see something like that. I do post fast and miss typos and stuff sometimes. Everyone does. You're the least guilty! That's why it was so tempting.

We will remember the tyranny, the power grab, the overt

manipulation, the backroom deals, the closed-door sessions,the condescension toward the American people, the disenfranchising of constituents, the steamrolling of

the legislative process, the subversion of the Constitution, and the outright disregard of the rule of law in NOVEMBER! I can't wait for the elections to come. Yeah!

Republican definitions 101:

tyranny: When a democrat wins by a big majority

power grab: When the democrats have the majorities in the house and senate and use it. Can you imagine the nerve!

manipulation & backroom deal: using the tactics used by republicans but is wrong now

disenfranchising of constituents: use rasmussen polls

the subversion of the Constitution: when all else fails, use this lie (add socialism if necessary)

outright disregard of the rule of law: we (republicans) lost.

Thanks to ObamaCare, the IRS alone is poised to hire 16,500

new agents, who will act as the bill's "enforcement agency."

When Nancy Pelosi said that healthcare reform would

create 40,000 new jobs immediately, we didn't realize

that almost half of them would be IRS agents!

And this is just the beginning. There are literally

scores of new bureaucracies listed in the 2,700 pages of

the President's final bill. The ancillary costs of

this government takeover will far exceed what was

projected by its sponsors.

The effects of ObamaCare are already being calculated in

the private sector. According to the Wall Street Journal,

ObamaCare's cost to American corporations could reach

$14 billion this year!

Companies like AT&T, John Deere, MedTronic, AK Steel, 3M,

Caterpillar, and Valero Energy have already counted the

cost to their bottom line for the upcoming year - and

the effects are staggering. Of course, American citizens

will ultimately pay the price for these rising costs.

Well put , noticed no one commented on this though?

So whats that going to mean? LAYOFFS !

But hey the IRS gets over 16000 more employees ! Yup bigger govt and IRS people to boot ! LOL

Companies like AT&T, John Deere, MedTronic, AK Steel, 3M,

Caterpillar, and Valero Energy have already counted the

cost to their bottom line for the upcoming year - and

the effects are staggering. Of course, American citizens

will ultimately pay the price for these rising costs.

The reason nobody responded to this is because it is misleading, once again the companies are claiming a NON CASH charge, so basically this is removing a deduction from the tax return, so they are having to pay taxes.

AT&T said Friday that the charge reflects changes to how Medicare subsidies are taxed. Companies say the health care overhaul will require them to start paying taxes next year on a subsidy they receive for retiree drug coverage.

White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said Thursday that the tax law closed a loophole.

Under the 2003 Medicare prescription drug program, companies that provide prescription drug benefits for retirees have been able to receive subsidies covering 28 percent of eligible costs. But they could deduct the entire amount they spent on these drug benefits – including the subsidies – from their taxable income.

The new law allows companies to only deduct the 72 percent they spent.

So this means in the past they were allowed to deduct more than they spent, on drug benefits.

Edited April 1, 201016 yr by LeighaMason