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Obamanomics: Bad for the economy...

As 2009 opened, three weeks before Barack Obama took office, the Dow Jones Industrial Average closed at 9034 on January 2, its highest level since the autumn panic. Yesterday the Dow fell another 4.24% to 6763, for an overall decline of 25% in two months and to its lowest level since 1997. The dismaying message here is that President Obama's policies have become part of the economy's problem.

Americans have welcomed the Obama era in the same spirit of hope the President campaigned on. But after five weeks in office, it's become clear that Mr. Obama's policies are slowing, if not stopping, what would otherwise be the normal process of economic recovery. From punishing business to squandering scarce national public resources, Team Obama is creating more uncertainty and less confidence -- and thus a longer period of recession or subpar growth.

The Democrats who now run Washington don't want to hear this, because they benefit from blaming all bad economic news on President Bush. And Mr. Obama has inherited an unusual recession deepened by credit problems, both of which will take time to climb out of. But it's also true that the economy has fallen far enough, and long enough, that much of the excess that led to recession is being worked off. Already 15 months old, the current recession will soon match the average length -- and average job loss -- of the last three postwar downturns. What goes down will come up -- unless destructive policies interfere with the sources of potential recovery.

And those sources have been forming for some time. The price of oil and other commodities have fallen by two-thirds since their 2008 summer peak, which has the effect of a major tax cut. The world is awash in liquidity, thanks to monetary ease by the Federal Reserve and other central banks. Monetary policy operates with a lag, but last year's easing will eventually stir economic activity.

Housing prices have fallen 27% from their Case-Shiller peak, or some two-thirds of the way back to their historical trend. While still high, credit spreads are far from their peaks during the panic, and corporate borrowers are again able to tap the credit markets. As equities were signaling with their late 2008 rally and January top, growth should under normal circumstances begin to appear in the second half of this year.

So what has happened in the last two months? The economy has received no great new outside shock. Exchange rates and other prices have been stable, and there are no security crises of note. The reality of a sharp recession has been known and built into stock prices since last year's fourth quarter.

What is new is the unveiling of Mr. Obama's agenda and his approach to governance. Every new President has a finite stock of capital -- financial and political -- to deploy, and amid recession Mr. Obama has more than most. But one negative revelation has been the way he has chosen to spend his scarce resources on income transfers rather than growth promotion. Most of his "stimulus" spending was devoted to social programs, rather than public works, and nearly all of the tax cuts were devoted to income maintenance rather than to improving incentives to work or invest.

His Treasury has been making a similar mistake with its financial bailout plans. The banking system needs to work through its losses, and one necessary use of public capital is to assist in burning down those bad assets as fast as possible. Yet most of Team Obama's ministrations so far have gone toward triage and life support, rather than repair and recovery.

AIG yesterday received its fourth "rescue," including $70 billion in Troubled Asset Relief Program cash, without any clear business direction. (See here.) Citigroup's restructuring last week added not a dollar of new capital, and also no clear direction. Perhaps the imminent Treasury "stress tests" will clear the decks, but until they do the banks are all living in fear of becoming the next AIG. All of this squanders public money that could better go toward burning down bank debt.

The market has notably plunged since Mr. Obama introduced his budget last week, and that should be no surprise. The document was a declaration of hostility toward capitalists across the economy. Health-care stocks have dived on fears of new government mandates and price controls. Private lenders to students have been told they're no longer wanted. Anyone who uses carbon energy has been warned to expect a huge tax increase from cap and trade. And every risk-taker and investor now knows that another tax increase will slam the economy in 2011, unless Mr. Obama lets Speaker Nancy Pelosi impose one even earlier.

Meanwhile, Congress demands more bank lending even as it assails lenders and threatens to let judges rewrite mortgage contracts. The powers in Congress -- unrebuked by Mr. Obama -- are ridiculing and punishing the very capitalists who are essential to a sustainable recovery. The result has been a capital strike, and the return of the fear from last year that we could face a far deeper downturn. This is no way to nurture a wounded economy back to health.

Listening to Mr. Obama and his chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, on the weekend, we couldn't help but wonder if they appreciate any of this. They seem preoccupied with going to the barricades against Republicans who wield little power, or picking a fight with Rush Limbaugh, as if this is the kind of economic leadership Americans want.

Perhaps they're reading the polls and figure they have two or three years before voters stop blaming Republicans and Mr. Bush for the economy. Even if that's right in the long run, in the meantime their assault on business and investors is delaying a recovery and ensuring that the expansion will be weaker than it should be when it finally does arrive.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123604419092515347.html

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would love it - throwing up in my mouth is not band friendly.

LOL, too funny. :smile:

While I have some very strong feelings and opinions on what PG wrote, I chose not to go down those rabbit trails because these are NOT religion threads and I didn't want to add to that.

LOL, too funny. :smile:

While I have some very strong feelings and opinions on what PG wrote, I chose not to go down those rabbit trails because these are NOT religion threads and I didn't want to add to that.

well how convienient.

every damn thread her hot ass participates in results in what GOD says....well - he's done. he called wants his calling card minutes transferred to paul rudd.

so you give lieniency to PG - cause why???? she's been a strain on the system - not this lib ... trust me , uncle sam gets more than his due from dh and myself and i'm retired before 40.

i have been friends w/BJean since i joined - share the same politics & fought in many threads before many here joined.

have at it - ya'll.........

Because your own time could be up tomorrow if you get hit by a bus.

Well thank you Captain Obvious.... Long time listener, first time caller?

I know... I know... I'm going to hell. Well at least I'll have a lot of company...

Brad

i have been friends w/BJean since i joined - share the same politics & fought in many threads before many here joined.

Well then, there should be no trouble in you two vets debating this here newb. I'll keep things factua and non-emotional. Let's do it (said in Dr. Phil voice)!

Well then, there should be no trouble in you two vets debating this here newb. I'll keep things factua and non-emotional. Let's do it (said in Dr. Phil voice)!

what debating? no such thing on this board any longer.

btw - beth is no newb * dr phil also makes me puke in my mouth.

I'm here for you BJean, I'm just not a debater. Nancy

And are debit cards mentioned in the Bible????

No. That was only a thought I had about it.

It's easy to blame G. Bush for everything. But this financial crisis did not begin with him. It was spawned under Bill Clinton, when banks were forced to give mortgages to those who could not (and never would) make the payments. Obama is a socialist who is inexperienced for the job he has managed to snag. He has 'sucked up' to Iran, a grave threat to Europe and the U.S. He tried to play footsie with Russia behind the backs of our European allies, and the Russians made the fact public and sneered at us. He has offended our closest allie, Great Britain, by his less than cordial reception of Prime Minister Gordon Brown and by sending back the bust of W. Churchill to the British Embassy. I don't think the gift he gave the Queen was appropriate. And didn't anyone que them in on proper edicate before they got there? You are not supposed to touch the Queen.

Hi Guys and Gals,

I just spent some time reading this thread, and it has become quite volatile. In as much, I am going to remind EVERYONE participating in this thread that even though it is R&R and debates get heated, we need to attack the idea and not the person.

If you wish to continue bickering and attacking each other, take that to PM. If you want to talk about God, take that to the God thread. If you want to talk about politics, Obama and politically related items, then do it here. But do it in an intellectual and adult manner.

If any of you have a problem with that, I will be happy to put on my admin hat and start issuing infractions and temporary bans if necessary to further enforce my point.

Thank you. You may now return to debating politics and attacking IDEAS.

Edited by *Susan*

thanks Susan!!!

:blink: Nice to see you!

Hi Guys and Gals,

I just spent some time reading this thread, and it has become quite volatile. In as much, I am going to remind EVERYONE participating in this thread that even though it is R&R and debates get heated, we need to attack the idea and not the person.

If you wish to continue bickering and attacking each other, take that to PM. If you want to talk about God, take that to the God thread. If you want to talk about politics, Obama and politically related items, then do it here. But do it in an intellectual and adult manner.

If any of you have a problem with that, I will be happy to put on my admin hat and start issuing infractions and temporary bans if necessary to further enforce my point.

Thank you. You may now return to debating politics and attacking IDEAS.

I see this as "the man" trying to hold me down. Ah well......I suffer for my political convictions. :blink:

Well Susan I decided not to whine about it, I just flung it right back and I gotta confess that although it felt pretty good, it was inappropriate and - my bad. I try really hard not to allow someone to push my buttons but since it went on way too long, I allowed it to happen. Glad you popped in. The voice of reason, at last.

Plain when I get some time I will try to go back through some old threads and pull some of the items I was speaking of. Jack is an expert at it and perhaps I was attributing some of his to you.

I'm sort of a hit and run gal. I just don't have a lot of time to play on this thing. But when I read posts that are completely outrageous I feel compelled to jump in. I really should have given it up for Lent.

Luluc anytime you can help me out it is majorly appreciated. I hope I can rescue you sometime. Sometimes it sure feels like there's some piling on happenin' ya know?

patty you do realize that for most of Bill Clinton's terms the Republicans were the dominate party in Congress, right?

And why weren't you bellyaching when George Bush insulted people both here and abroad? What did you think when he was caught on camera chewing with his mouth wide open and saying "shit" to the British Prime Minister? You didn't find that insulting and inappropriate? Were you proud of the way he represented our country on the night he used the term "shock and awe" when he dropped bombs on a country that we were not at war with? Wonder why he didn't just use the term "death and carnage"? Not as catchy?

I have no quarrel with you criticizing President Obama if you think he was inappropriate for giving the Queen an IPod, but don't you think that maybe the Queen has plenty of crystal and silver treasures cluttering all the castles by now? And did you know (no you don't because you don't watch the real news) that the Queen opened the door for Mrs. Obama to touch her? The Queen as well as the Prince seemed to be quite taken with the President and First Lady.

Bush was not an impressive President when he visited foreign countries. President Obama is, whether you agree with his politics or not.

Plain when I get some time I will try to go back through some old threads and pull some of the items I was speaking of. Jack is an expert at it and perhaps I was attributing some of his to you.

I think you'll find I don't dodge.

I'm sort of a hit and run gal. I just don't have a lot of time to play on this thing. But when I read posts that are completely outrageous I feel compelled to jump in. I really should have given it up for Lent.

Unfortunately, I don't have much of a life, so I'm able to obsessively scour LBT. Yay me!

And why weren't you bellyaching when George Bush insulted people both here and abroad? What did you think when he was caught on camera chewing with his mouth wide open and saying "shit" to the British Prime Minister? You didn't find that insulting and inappropriate?

Don't forget my favorite.....Bush Sr. puking on the prime minister of Japan. Totally Animal House!!

Were you proud of the way he represented our country on the night he used the term "shock and awe" when he dropped bombs on a country that we were not at war with?

*record scratch* Wait!! Congress authorized Bush to use military force "at any time and in any way he sees fit" on October 11 2002. The bombing didn't start until March 19 2003. So to recap....congress approved, Bush followed through. It wasn't like he invaded within 10 minutes of congressional approval.

Wonder why he didn't just use the term "death and carnage"? Not as catchy?

Except....Bush didn't coin the term "shock and awe". A dude named Harlan Ullman coined that military philosophy way back in 1996. Who was president in '96?

President Obama is, whether you agree with his politics or not.

I agree with you here. Foreign countries seem to loves them some Obama. Too bad they don't love him enough to commit to his economic plan, or to his plan to fight terrorism. But hey! At least now we're at the diplomatic table with Iran! Yesssssssss.......

Edited by plain

I'm not saying that Bush was 'The man'. Why is it that everytime someone comments on what Obama is doing right now, they go back to what Bush did back then. We can't change the past mistakes on any presidents part whether dem or rep. So, As pres. Obama takes our government into the automoblie business, the mortgage and banking business, the healthcare business, the energy business and the environmental planning business, he is working on a basic premis that we'll be better off if we turn more of our lives and resources over to gov. bureaucrats to manage. Not only has this been tried many times (social security) but it has failed every time. There was a learning oportunity with social security that was missed by our government. The social engineering made sence when Roosevelt was in office because the country had 40 people working per 1 retired person back then. Now it's 3-1.The problem is the world constantly changes, but gov.programs don't. Other gov. conceived and managed dinosaurs, medicare and medicaid, are in even worse shape. Reinventing America by bringing government management to our auto, banking, energy and health care industries? You might like this idea if you ignore all the past experiences!

I read the letters to the editors every day in the newspaper. I read 2-3 letters that are written by people who are just flabergasted by Obama's decision making and spending every day. There is NEVER any letters talking about all the good he is doing since his election. I believe it is hard for those who voted for him to see that he is making some dumb moves, and they themselves probably can't believe that this is what he meant by 'Change'.

Obama essentially fired an executive of a private corp. Isn't that a new interpretation of the commander in chief? How is that defending the constitution? If he believes the constitution is irrelevent why did he take the oath of office? He said clearly before he was elected that the constitution was outdated and irrelevent. I can't find anywhere in our constitution where it says our gov. owes us a job, income, homes and healthcare. It guarantees us only the pursuit of happiness. No where does it say that one group of citizens should take care of any other group by force from the gov. Our founding Fathers saw enough of that in Europe and they made sure to protect us from that form of dictatorship. Besides freedom of religion, people were attracted to this country for their right to own private property. This was unheard of in Europe. It's the foundation of capitalism. Some say, "The very wealthy have not been made to do their part by having some of their largess taken from them to contribute to the well being of all." I translate that, "The very wealthy have not been FORCED to do their part by having some of their private property STOLEN from them for the well being of all." People should be able to give to the charitys of their choice. I'm not just saying this because I may be effected, cause I won't be. We are not a very wealthy family. I say it out of fairness for all people dispite the amount of income they have.

I will be happy to put on my admin hat and start issuing infractions and temporary bans if necessary to further enforce my point.

Thank you. You may now return to debating politics and attacking IDEAS.

i'll take my infractions in the form of a wet noodle slap.....

i guess i can behave :sad:

i will agree w/plain on this - yes obama was well rec'd over the pond, but till he gets the other countries to buy into his economic plan (which i'm not sure will happen) can that visit be considered a success.

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