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Obamanomics: Bad for the economy...

As 2009 opened, three weeks before Barack Obama took office, the Dow Jones Industrial Average closed at 9034 on January 2, its highest level since the autumn panic. Yesterday the Dow fell another 4.24% to 6763, for an overall decline of 25% in two months and to its lowest level since 1997. The dismaying message here is that President Obama's policies have become part of the economy's problem.

Americans have welcomed the Obama era in the same spirit of hope the President campaigned on. But after five weeks in office, it's become clear that Mr. Obama's policies are slowing, if not stopping, what would otherwise be the normal process of economic recovery. From punishing business to squandering scarce national public resources, Team Obama is creating more uncertainty and less confidence -- and thus a longer period of recession or subpar growth.

The Democrats who now run Washington don't want to hear this, because they benefit from blaming all bad economic news on President Bush. And Mr. Obama has inherited an unusual recession deepened by credit problems, both of which will take time to climb out of. But it's also true that the economy has fallen far enough, and long enough, that much of the excess that led to recession is being worked off. Already 15 months old, the current recession will soon match the average length -- and average job loss -- of the last three postwar downturns. What goes down will come up -- unless destructive policies interfere with the sources of potential recovery.

And those sources have been forming for some time. The price of oil and other commodities have fallen by two-thirds since their 2008 summer peak, which has the effect of a major tax cut. The world is awash in liquidity, thanks to monetary ease by the Federal Reserve and other central banks. Monetary policy operates with a lag, but last year's easing will eventually stir economic activity.

Housing prices have fallen 27% from their Case-Shiller peak, or some two-thirds of the way back to their historical trend. While still high, credit spreads are far from their peaks during the panic, and corporate borrowers are again able to tap the credit markets. As equities were signaling with their late 2008 rally and January top, growth should under normal circumstances begin to appear in the second half of this year.

So what has happened in the last two months? The economy has received no great new outside shock. Exchange rates and other prices have been stable, and there are no security crises of note. The reality of a sharp recession has been known and built into stock prices since last year's fourth quarter.

What is new is the unveiling of Mr. Obama's agenda and his approach to governance. Every new President has a finite stock of capital -- financial and political -- to deploy, and amid recession Mr. Obama has more than most. But one negative revelation has been the way he has chosen to spend his scarce resources on income transfers rather than growth promotion. Most of his "stimulus" spending was devoted to social programs, rather than public works, and nearly all of the tax cuts were devoted to income maintenance rather than to improving incentives to work or invest.

His Treasury has been making a similar mistake with its financial bailout plans. The banking system needs to work through its losses, and one necessary use of public capital is to assist in burning down those bad assets as fast as possible. Yet most of Team Obama's ministrations so far have gone toward triage and life support, rather than repair and recovery.

AIG yesterday received its fourth "rescue," including $70 billion in Troubled Asset Relief Program cash, without any clear business direction. (See here.) Citigroup's restructuring last week added not a dollar of new capital, and also no clear direction. Perhaps the imminent Treasury "stress tests" will clear the decks, but until they do the banks are all living in fear of becoming the next AIG. All of this squanders public money that could better go toward burning down bank debt.

The market has notably plunged since Mr. Obama introduced his budget last week, and that should be no surprise. The document was a declaration of hostility toward capitalists across the economy. Health-care stocks have dived on fears of new government mandates and price controls. Private lenders to students have been told they're no longer wanted. Anyone who uses carbon energy has been warned to expect a huge tax increase from cap and trade. And every risk-taker and investor now knows that another tax increase will slam the economy in 2011, unless Mr. Obama lets Speaker Nancy Pelosi impose one even earlier.

Meanwhile, Congress demands more bank lending even as it assails lenders and threatens to let judges rewrite mortgage contracts. The powers in Congress -- unrebuked by Mr. Obama -- are ridiculing and punishing the very capitalists who are essential to a sustainable recovery. The result has been a capital strike, and the return of the fear from last year that we could face a far deeper downturn. This is no way to nurture a wounded economy back to health.

Listening to Mr. Obama and his chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, on the weekend, we couldn't help but wonder if they appreciate any of this. They seem preoccupied with going to the barricades against Republicans who wield little power, or picking a fight with Rush Limbaugh, as if this is the kind of economic leadership Americans want.

Perhaps they're reading the polls and figure they have two or three years before voters stop blaming Republicans and Mr. Bush for the economy. Even if that's right in the long run, in the meantime their assault on business and investors is delaying a recovery and ensuring that the expansion will be weaker than it should be when it finally does arrive.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123604419092515347.html

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You're not crying uncle, you wimped out because you know you can't fight the facts. You know it and I know it.

That's okay, I understand how the skewed crap you call logic can be dismembered by a simple set of facts. :confused:

It's funny how you claim your questions aren't being answered, yet when plain or I DO answer them, then he's dodging and I'm too long-winded. You have a bullshit answer for everything. You have learned the left-wing shuck-and-jive very well, grasshopper. :thumbdown:

Beth you're out of your rabid ass mind.

How do you think you got all your ammunition? It was from posts that I made containing points that I made. You're a raving lunatic. You have no ability to discuss this subject - you are like patty with fundamentalist religion. All show, no go.

You are scary. Your posts remind me of people like Timothy McVeigh, who thought he was making a political statement. Which I guess he was, eh?

You might think about calming down before you do something really stupid.

pattygreen: 40 years ago my brother-in-law, who was an evangelist of the Southern Baptist persuasion, said almost verbatim what you posted above. He was just certain that Jesus was going to return within 10 years. He was telling everyone to get themselve right with God or they'd wind up staying here on earth to burn while their "saved" spouses and children floated up to heaven to be with God.

How long do you give us this time?

Beth you're out of your rabid ass mind.

How do you think you got all your ammunition? It was from posts that I made containing points that I made. You're a raving lunatic. You have no ability to discuss this subject - you are like patty with fundamentalist religion. All show, no go.

You are scary. Your posts remind me of people like Timothy McVeigh, who thought he was making a political statement. Which I guess he was, eh?

You might think about calming down before you do something really stupid.

Well, it's nice to see you're soooooo beyond getting personal. :smile:

Typical.

Hey everybody!! Look busy!! Jesus is coming!!

i did laundry, while writing a tort argument...

beth - really; you got gang mentality going on & it's distracting whether you agree or not - it is.

Can you imagine for a minute how these three things would improve things in this country?...

1) Term limits, term limits, term limits!!!!!

2) Tax reform, i.e., national sales tax

3) Torte reform (specifically medical malpractice)

Wow. I wish John Lennon were alive to write a song about that....

I'm a little torn on medical malpractice reform. On the one hand, I know it's one of the big culprits in driving up healthcare costs (insurance costs are why all the docs are getting out of the OB biz). But I have also seen many, many cases of horrible malpractice swept under the rug, leaving the doc free to continue to butcher unsuspecting patients. Surely there has to be a middle ground somewhere?

plain I wasn't directing my post to you. I wasn't accusing you of not answering a question. But you do dodge things that you don't like by raising a different subject. We all do it and you're good at that.

Uh, thanks, I guess? I try to truthfully answer all questions put to me without getting distracted by emotional arguement. I also feel (but I guess I could be wrong) that I will own up when I've been proven wrong about something. Honestly, I cannot remember giving a single dodge ever. If you will point one out I will rectify post-haste.

What happened to the fairness doctrine?

I know! Where's your homies? I know you're not the only lib on here. Maybe you're the only one who has the bells to debate?

i did laundry, while writing a tort argument...

Mmmmm....I love raspberry pop torts for breakfast.

I know! Where's your homies? I know you're not the only lib on here. Maybe you're the only one who has the bells to debate?

Mmmmm....I love raspberry pop torts for breakfast.

actually the lib homies are actually put off with the father/son/holy ghost/ constantly thrusted in every damn discussion on this board - so we're off having a glass of wine. GOD really needs a vaca after reading this board!!!! he's so busy.

if only my ignore feature would block quotes from the "sheltered"......a feature alex should explore..

i'll save my raspberries for my future contempt fees.....

pattygreen: 40 years ago my brother-in-law, who was an evangelist of the Southern Baptist persuasion, said almost verbatim what you posted above. He was just certain that Jesus was going to return within 10 years. He was telling everyone to get themselve right with God or they'd wind up staying here on earth to burn while their "saved" spouses and children floated up to heaven to be with God.

How long do you give us this time?

This time? I never set a time before. I would never think to set a date or time. Only God knows when he will send his son again. It could be in my lifetime, or in 1000 years or more. All I know is one should be ready for his coming at any time. Because your own time could be up tomorrow if you get hit by a bus.

Patty, I removed quite a bit of these political posts from your religious threads. Please do not bring the religious posts to this political thread. I understand that, for some people, politics is intertwined with religion, but the past couple of posts are getting majorly off-topic.

A Quotable quote by Craig Cantoni, Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons........"Like the investment returns promised by Bernard Madoff, the promised benefits of universal health care will not be realized by latter participants, due to unfavorable demographics and bleak economic realities. Over time, it is a virtual certainty that taxes for the program will soar, medical care will be rationed, physician compensation and thus physician quality will be reduced, euthanasia will be encouraged under the guise of compassion, and medical facilities will become as shabby as state motor vehicle bureaus."

How True!!!

if only my ignore feature would block quotes from the "sheltered"......a feature alex should explore..

Perhaps an informal agreement among the regulars not to quote some sources would help?

Perhaps an informal agreement among the regulars not to quote some sources would help?

would love it - throwing up in my mouth is not band friendly.

I'm here for you BJean, I'm just not a debater. Nancy

And are debit cards mentioned in the Bible????

beth - really; you got gang mentality going on & it's distracting whether you agree or not - it is.

How can I be a gang of one? I could see if I was jumping on some bandwagon or something, but really...

Lulu, this person has spent the last week or so calling names to those few of us who simply disagree with her. I listed them last night. She asked questions that, when answered with factual arguments, she then responded that she "didn't read them because they were long-winded," and to plain she said she didn't read his because he spun and dodged.

She said flat out that when we were being FOX news-ish or Rush Limbaugh-ish in our responses, believing that we can't actually think for ourselves, she was going to call us on it. I decided that was a great tactic and chose to do the same thing when she spewed her personal grudges, namecalling, and BS. I'm not sure why her behavior is fine but mine is somehow a gang mentality.

I understand she can't fight this battle because she is disingenuous at best. But she has acted throughout as if she has taken the high road, and all she has chosen to do is sling the same mud that the left-wing do.

It's one thing to be a liberal. There's no harm there. However, the crap she espouses -- then ducks from when met with facts -- well, that's just bullshit no matter how you want to believe I am handling myself in this thread.

She doesn't get to determine the rules of how this is played. If she dishes it, she's going to likely get it right back. She has chosen to take this route rather than debate civilly, so she has been met with responses that she obviously can't handle.

I'm not asking anybody to agree with me here, Lulu. I don't even expect you or her to agree, and that is fine. But when one slings the kind of bullshit that she does here while lobbing personal attacks on people because she can't fight a good fight, then she deserves whatever she gets -- whether you agree or not.

And nothing personal at ALL towards you, but she can fight her own battles. Kinda. :smile:

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