Hello I'm TheWatcher You may remember me from such memorable threads like Are we ready for a Black President and others.

I was recently messaged by someone; and this individual asked me a question that i has been thinking about since Barack started his run for the White House. Barack Obama has energized and motivated the Black Community of American like no one has since the Civil Rights movement and Some in the Black Community and still apathetic, Pessimistic if you will and dont believe whats happening. I may share my responce that i gave later... but for now i Pose this question.

What would happen toin America If Barack Obama was to fall to a Assasins Bullet?

It may be a frightening notion but it already has legs a Assasination attempt was foiled before the DNC acceptance speech. So please Share your views, fears, or anything that this topic beings up to your mind that you would like to discuss. If the questions are there, this is as good of a place as any other to get them answered.

Edited October 17, 200817 yr by TheWatcher

you ain't never lied... isn't the penalty for being a true traitor Death...

Wait, are you saying anyone who attacks Obama is a racist, but it's OK for you to call Palin a "bitch" and suggest her husband should be executed?

He also didn't launch his "campaign" in her brothel.

So you're really going there? OK... let's go there.

No, but since there is much speculation and historical reason to believe that the woman was Mary Magdaline, it sounds like he cut her a good bit of slack and took her into his conficence.

Or what, then of Jesus going and having dinner at the home of Zaccheaus... repentent, yes... but he did not repent until Jesus was in his home having dinner.

Grace is a wonderful thing, to come to us while we are in our sin.

TheWatcher, I'm confused, and I'm not sure what you hope to gain with this thread. You post under guise of wanting people's opinions, which implies that you're curious about what others think and want them to share their thoughts. But then when they're shared, you throw out accusations of ignorance and insinuations of lies, which means you're not after understanding.

That's a bit perplexing. If you don't want to know what people think, don't ask. If you do want to know what people think, then you need to have an open mind and ears to what they're saying or you won't hear the message. If you're looking for someone who disagrees with you to debate, then The Lounge is not where this thread belongs.

"What color do you think the sky is?" "Blue." "Ha you haven't seen the light it's really red, but keep being ignorant." Ok, then why did you ask? You obviously didn't really care what color I thought the sky was...

Edited October 19, 200817 yr by Wheetsin

Grace is a wonderful thing, to come to us while we are in our sin.

Amen, absolutely. We would be lost without it. But Obama is not Messiah. I trust Jesus and I believe His goals were and are different than Obama's.

TheWatcher, I'm confused, and I'm not sure what you hope to gain with this thread. You post under guise of wanting people's opinions, which implies that you're curious about what others think and want them to share their thoughts. But then when they're shared, you throw out accusations of ignorance and insinuations of lies, which means you're not after understanding.

That's a bit perplexing. If you don't want to know what people think, don't ask. If you do want to know what people think, then you need to have an open mind and ears to what they're saying or you won't hear the message. If you're looking for someone who disagrees with you to debate, then The Lounge is not where this thread belongs.

"What color do you think the sky is?" "Blue." "Ha you haven't seen the light it's really red, but keep being ignorant." Ok, then why did you ask? You obviously didn't really care what color I thought the sky was...

Thanks, Wheetsin. I had a hard time putting my finger on my discomfort. This post did it for me.

TheWatcher, I'm confused, and I'm not sure what you hope to gain with this thread. You post under guise of wanting people's opinions, which implies that you're curious about what others think and want them to share their thoughts. But then when they're shared, you throw out accusations of ignorance and insinuations of lies, which means you're not after understanding.

That's a bit perplexing. If you don't want to know what people think, don't ask. If you do want to know what people think, then you need to have an open mind and ears to what they're saying or you won't hear the message. If you're looking for someone who disagrees with you to debate, then The Lounge is not where this thread belongs.

"What color do you think the sky is?" "Blue." "Ha you haven't seen the light it's really red, but keep being ignorant." Ok, then why did you ask? You obviously didn't really care what color I thought the sky was...

i am merely the conversation starter im as biased as the people who post... that's what i do i think of things then i want to discuss, argue my point, and from time to time i will interject something... i have my opinions as well as you and everyone one else here ...i attack no one i express my opinion ... song get upset because my opinion is nt always PC we are adults discussing adult matters i see no need to pull punches or soften my opinions so that they might not he so harsh.... And why do people keep trying to change the topic at hand???:w00t:

as i normally have to do sorry if i ruffle peoples feathers... but thats me

Amen, absolutely. We would be lost without it. But Obama is not Messiah. I trust Jesus and I believe His goals were and are different than Obama's.

(sighs)... what do you mean my this... i mean seriously i have been sitting here for the last couple mins trying to figure out all the ways i could take this .... are you saying... you know what ... i dont wanna go down this road...im going to chime out for a second and just let a bit of this convo play out...

Bringing Jesus in this is only going to bring the passion and enthusiasm out of me and apparently thats not welcome by some.

This thread has turned rather argumentative, so I'm going to ignore most of what has been said and just respond to the original question.

Unfortunately, I am Australian, and therefore I don't get to have a vote in the US presidential election. But it is widely covered in our media here, and so almost every Australian has an opinion, it seems.

I think Barack Obama would be brilliant for the US if he is elected. I hope he will be, and i think the chances of that are growing every day - especially since McCain chose Palin for his running mate.

However, I think that if Obama is elected president, he won't last his first term. A white supremacist or another type of radical will kill him. I think there will be more attempts on his life, even before the election is decided.

I think some people in the US could not cope with a Black President, and would do anything within their power to stop it from coming to fruition. It would be a sad and sorry day for the world - another Martin Luther King. But, in my humble opinion, it is more likely than not.

This is just my two cents. Feel free to disagree, but let's keep the discussion based on the facts, without personal attacks. They help no-one.

Bringing Jesus in this is only going to bring the passion and enthusiasm out of me and apparently thats not welcome by some.

Well, I was the one who first mentioned Jesus in explaining my reason for forgiveness and grace. I wasn't equating Obama with Christ, and am not sure how gagetlady reached that point.

Well, I was the one who first mentioned Jesus in explaining my reason for forgiveness and grace. I wasn't equating Obama with Christ, and am not sure how gagetlady reached that point.

Forigive me for not expanding my comparison further (and for being gone all this time to make you wonder what I meant :w00t:). I didn't at all think you were equating Obama with Christ. As I understand it, what you were saying is that Jesus believed in forgiveness and grace, and that that was a wonderful thing. I agreed. But to compare Jesus' position towards the woman about to be stoned (a position of forgiveness and grace) to Obama's position towards Ayres is inappropriate, because 1) Obama is not Ayres' savior, 2) Jesus wasn't running for political office, and 3) Obama's desire to be the elected political leader of the free world doesn't even remotely equate to Jesus' position as an unelected, non-political, Savior.

Does that make what I said a little clearer? I understand that you might not agree, but I hope I've been able to at least clarify why I said it.

Jesse Jackson Himself, the well-known long-term activist, was caught on national TV with a live microphone several months back, stating in very concise language what HE would like to do to Sen Obama.

Despite his apology, I was both surprised AND offended.

I was, too. I was shocked, and every time someone reminds me of it I think I must have imagined the whole thing, because it is utterly incomprehensible.

Everyone is prejudiced. Everyone believes they are better than someone else. It may not be racial, but the woman who's thin will look at the woman who's fat and think, at least I'm better than that fat cow. The man who drives a Jag looks at the man driving the old clunker and think, I'm better than that bum, and it goes on and on and on.

Forigive me for not expanding my comparison further (and for being gone all this time to make you wonder what I meant :thumbup:). I didn't at all think you were equating Obama with Christ. As I understand it, what you were saying is that Jesus believed in forgiveness and grace, and that that was a wonderful thing. I agreed. But to compare Jesus' position towards the woman about to be stoned (a position of forgiveness and grace) to Obama's position towards Ayres is inappropriate, because 1) Obama is not Ayres' savior, 2) Jesus wasn't running for political office, and 3) Obama's desire to be the elected political leader of the free world doesn't even remotely equate to Jesus' position as an unelected, non-political, Savior.

Does that make what I said a little clearer? I understand that you might not agree, but I hope I've been able to at least clarify why I said it.

im sorry but i can hold myself anylonger. first no one is saying Barrack Obama is the massiah and second im sorry but your understanding of Jesus's stance is Flawed. You are attempting to attach a man to obama that has had past sins. Yet william ayres is not the same man who committed those crimes yet you would want to discredit obama for knowing and working with him.

Would Jesus follow this tactic.

I was raised in a Church My father is a retired Pastor and i have discussed this with him, as well as some of the ministers at my former church and we havent found any leg for you to stand on with this comparison or the logical diduction that would support your position.

Jesus's platform if you will is Forgiveness, Patience, and Emplathy,and what part of knowing someones past and accepting them for who they are presently isnt following and trying to be more crist like. Furthermore it is a Christians Mission to To walk and be more like Christ. So how is it all of a sudden is it a bad thing that Barrack has learned to Forgive???:biggrin:

re: "I think some people in the US could not cope with a Black President"

Jesse Jackson Himself, the well-known long-term activist, was caught on national TV with a live microphone several months back, stating in very concise language what HE would like to do to Sen Obama.

Despite his apology, I was both surprised AND offended.

just remember this... Jesse Jackson Does not speak for all black people ... Shoot he barely speaks for the Fringe few... Jesse is irrelevant The fact of the matter is he has become a pariah in alot of circles in the Black community because of his actions the reason that Jesse got so upset because remember what he was responding to (Barrack Obama speaking on taking responsibility of your family and being a dead beat father) ahem JESSE got mad cause IT HIT A LITTLE CLOSE TO HOME... Im not sure if you were all aware of this but Jesse fathered a child outside his marrage that he denyed for a number of years.... No one listens to that irrelevant oaf neither should you.:biggrin:

im sorry but i can hold myself anylonger. first no one is saying Barrack Obama is the massiah and second im sorry but your understanding of Jesus's stance is Flawed. You are attempting to attach a man to obama that has had past sins. Yet william ayres is not the same man who committed those crimes yet you would want to discredit obama for knowing and working with him.

William Ayres HAS STATED that he SUPPORTS and AFFIRMS what he did and HE WISHES HE HAD DONE MORE! So yes, they are past sins, but yes, they are also sins that he doesn't believe were wrong.

My father is a retired Pastor and i have discussed this with him, as well as some of the ministers at my former church and we havent found any leg for you to stand on with this comparison or the logical diduction that would support your position.

I would love to speak with any of them about my "logical diduction [sic]" on this matter.

Jesus's platform if you will is Forgiveness, Patience, and Emplathy,and what part of knowing someones past and accepting them for who they are presently isnt following and trying to be more crist like. Furthermore it is a Christians Mission to To walk and be more like Christ. So how is it all of a sudden is it a bad thing that Barrack has learned to Forgive???:biggrin:

Jesus' platform has nothing to do with politics. It is not Obama's position to "forgive" Ayres his (unrepentant) sin, because Obama is not his Savior. He certainly has a right to befriend anyone he wants, and forgive him whatever he wants, even if that person hasn't asked for forgiveness or hasn't indicated that he believes he has done anything wrong. But to equate Jesus' position towards the woman about to be stoned with Obama's friendship with Ayres is ludicrous beyond belief.

Jesus was very clear about His Kingdom and about the Kingdom of Darkness; He talked about it all the time. Here's what He and His Disciples said about unrepentant sinners in regard to church affairs (Jesus didn't speak to political action, which is, really, the crux of my point -- but nevertheless): Matthew 18:17 If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector. 1 Cor 5:13 God will judge those outside. "Expel the wicked man from among you." 2 Thess 3:6 In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers, to keep away from every brother who is idle and does not live according to the teaching you received from us. 1 Cor 5:11 But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.

Once again, if you're going to go the Biblical route, I must refer you back to 1 Cor 15:33 Bad company corrupts good character. I don't see how anyone can deny that a man who bombed buildings and partook in other terrorist activities -- and has recently stated that he wished he had gone further -- is anything other than "bad company."