Dr.V, another bariatric specialist on YT has many such videos and here he suggests working on getting "lean muscle mass" once you hit the goal and in the normal BMI range. Do you agree with his take? I know many here start their weight training quite early during their weight loss phase. So what's your opinion on his take?

I would love to hear some input and opinions based on your personal experience.

https://youtu.be/Sb63zPQxk0o

Edited March 29, 20224 yr by DaisyAndSunshine

There's a lot of angles here, but ultimately he's right (even if the framing is Americanized, you be the judge on that).

Get active, sure, but your food is 90+% of the effort the first 6-12 months.

What he gets very wrong:
Telling people they have to get to BMI22 to go to the gym is - brace for impact, Oklahoma moms - retarded and unhelpful. Nobody has to get to BMI22 and very few do it.

according to statistics, only about 10-15% of bariatric patients make it to a normal BMI range, so that means only a small percentage of us would be doing weight (or other resistance) training, if we go by his advice. Resistance training is pretty important throughout life, especially as we age. So I'd have to say I don't agree with Dr. V there.

I do agree that food intake is 90% of weight loss, though. Exercise can make a little difference, but not as much as most people think. It's basically good for overall health and building lean muscle, which is, of course, desirable.

Yup. Throw that food into MyFitnessPal. Keep calories not too low, not too high. Get your protein, and then get a lil' more. Walk 3-5x week. Work on your mind.

That's it. The rest is icing on the cake.

Lol @ "you guys got to stop worrying about calories, calorie counting does not work" ~ Okay Dr Duc...

Not calorie counting was a contributing factor to leading most of us to bariatric surgery.

Some of what he says makes sense... increased activity can increase appetite, I agree with that.

But not doing weight training until you're on the lower end of the normal BMI spectrum, I don't agree with that. It might not ever happen. Because as Catwoman7 said, statistically not all bariatric patients reach goal. But everyone can benefit from resistance training when they reach maintenance.

There's sooooo many opinions out there on how to lose weight and how to build muscle, it can be confusing. You can talk to different doctors, different personal trainers and get a different opinion from each one. Workout while fasting, no, eat before working out, blah blah blah, etc...

I think Dr Duc's Covid videos are laughable, and so are some of his bariatric videos. ?‍♀️

Overall, I love this video! He is right. I especially love what he says about getting your head straight, setting goals, meditating, getting rid of negative people and working on yourself. Telling people no, setting boundaries, etc.

As an active person, I know he is speaking truth. He isn't saying be lazy and do nothing. He is saying do not put your body further into a state where it NEEDs to break down your muscles for energy. He suggests bike riding, hiking, and yoga - yoga is perfect, union. Get into your body. Stretch it, move it.

My mediation often looks like house work. I vacuum, I clean, I clean the kitchen almost daily, the toilets need cleaned at least weekly, the shower needs a scrubbing every so often, laundry never stops, I rearrange my decor, etc. I try not to allow myself to just sit still in the house and watch tv. Do activities that bring you joy. To me, there is NOTHING like a clean and organized house! It's getting warm here in the states - gardening and outdoor activities are just around the corner and available for us all. Find new hobbies and enjoy your life.

Once you're down to your goal (maybe not a BMI of 22) but whatever your goal is, and then if you want to focus on the gym, do it. Until then, you will come home exhausted and starving - which is his point, you will ruin your honeymoon period after WLS.

Edited March 29, 20224 yr by LilaNicole20

Advice is sometimes given with the best intentions but everyone is different. You should do the things which work for you. Only you know what is best for you. Listen, learn and experiment with your routines. Find something which is sustainable to achieve your long term goals.

In my personal case, I believe the following things contribute to my success.

1. I eat less calories because of surgery.
2. I made a decision to make healthier food choices.
3. I exercise regularly (cardio.)
4. I perform weight training regularly.

I feel great. I am losing weight. This is what is important to me.

12 hours ago, DaisyAndSunshine said:

Dr.V, another bariatric specialist on YT has many such videos and here he suggests working on getting "lean muscle mass" once you hit the goal and in the normal BMI range. Do you agree with his take? I know many here start their weight training quite early during their weight loss phase. So what's your opinion on his take?

I would love to hear some input and opinions based on your personal experience.

https://youtu.be/Sb63zPQxk0o

Haha loved it, he has some very good points. He is right about you can't loose weight and build muscle, sure you can loose fat and build muscle but your scale probably won't move .

13 minutes ago, SleeverSk said:

sure you can loose fat and build muscle but your scale probably won't move .

Exacto. I thought I was done in month 9 because that's when I started lifting. But lo and behold, I had 25 lbs more to take off. And I lifted all that time (not excessively, but it did help having a pretty sweet build coming out of the fatsuit).

12 hours ago, MiniGastricBypassDude said:

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What he gets very wrong:
Telling people they have to get to BMI22 to go to the gym is - brace for impact, Oklahoma moms - retarded and unhelpful. Nobody has to get to BMI22 and very few do it.

Yeh I believe he exaggerated right there. Weight training doesn't need to be waited until you hit your normal BMI.

But I believe he was making a point about post-Op diet and calorie deficit. A lot of us are on major calorie deficit until we hit our goal. So I wonder with such reduced calorie, is it enough to build muscles if there is sufficient protein intake of between 60 to 80g? ?

2 hours ago, SleeverSk said:

Haha loved it, he has some very good points. He is right about you can't loose weight and build muscle, sure you can loose fat and build muscle but your scale probably won't move .

Yeh it makes sense that your scale won't move much, so if one is focused on those numbers it may seem counterproductive. But when you build muscles, you still lose fat. It's just gained muscles balance it out hence scale stalls.

20 hours ago, LilaNicole20 said:

Overall, I love this video! He is right. I especially love what he says about getting your head straight, setting goals, meditating, getting rid of negative people and working on yourself. Telling people no, setting boundaries, etc.

As an active person, I know he is speaking truth. He isn't saying be lazy and do nothing. He is saying do not put your body further into a state where it NEEDs to break down your muscles for energy. He suggests bike riding, hiking, and yoga - yoga is perfect, union. Get into your body. Stretch it, move it.

My mediation often looks like house work. I vacuum, I clean, I clean the kitchen almost daily, the toilets need cleaned at least weekly, the shower needs a scrubbing every so often, laundry never stops, I rearrange my decor, etc. I try not to allow myself to just sit still in the house and watch tv. Do activities that bring you joy. To me, there is NOTHING like a clean and organized house! It's getting warm here in the states - gardening and outdoor activities are just around the corner and available for us all. Find new hobbies and enjoy your life.

Once you're down to your goal (maybe not a BMI of 22) but whatever your goal is, and then if you want to focus on the gym, do it. Until then, you will come home exhausted and starving - which is his point, you will ruin your honeymoon period after WLS.

So, I left work last night and decided to put some of this to the test. I pulled up a beginner Yoga video to YouTube on the tele - and man, I had to stop it around the 11 minute mark. Yoga is not easy! Tonight my plan is to at least do the same 11 minutes again and maybe make it to 15 minutes. I will say, the stopping point for me was discomfort at my incisions... so being 3 weeks out, that is a huge consideration. My arms; however, were shaking after. I can see based on this attempt that there is progress to be made.

Personally, I have always preferred Pilates to Yoga (which I'm sure this doc would approve as it is a stretching and lengthening activity). So maybe tonight I will pull up the trusty 8-min Pilates video on YT and alternate between Pilates and yoga each evening.

Slow and steady wins this race.

Mmmm maybe 3 weeks out is to early to start exercising especially if you are getting pain and discomfort. You have had major surgery.

18 hours ago, SleeverSk said:

Mmmm maybe 3 weeks out is to early to start exercising especially if you are getting pain and discomfort. You have had major surgery.

You're right. I'm not over doing it.