Someone recently passed this article on to me, which I posted on another board. It was promptly removed. So sad . . .

Frightening News from France

Once again, the real news in France is conveniently

not being reported as it should. To give you an idea

of what's going on in France where there are now

between 5 and 6 million Muslims and about 600,000 Jews,

here is an email that came from a Jew living in

France. Please read! Will the world say nothing - again - as it did in Hitler's time?

"I AM A JEW -- therefore I am forwarding this to

everyone on all my e-mail lists. I will not sit back

and do nothing." Nowhere have the flames of

anti-Semitism burned more furiously than in France:

Lyon, a car was rammed into a synagogue and set

on fire. In Montpellier, the Jewish religious center

was firebombed; so were synagogues in Strasbourg and

Marseilles; so was a Jewish school in Creteil - all recently.

A Jewish sports club in Toulouse was attacked with

Molotov cocktails, and on the statue of Alfred

Dreyfus in Paris, the words "Dirty Jew" were

painted. In Bondy, 15 men beat up members of a

Jewish football team with sticks and metal bars. The

bus that takes Jewish children to school in

Aubervilliers has been attacked three times in the last 14 months.

According to the Police, metropolitan Paris has seen

10 to 12 anti-Jewish incidents PER DAY in the past

30 days. Walls in Jewish neighborhoods have been

defaced with slogans proclaiming "Jews to the gas

chambers" and "Death to the Jews."

A gunman opened fire on a Kosher butcher's shop

(and, of course, the butcher) in Toulouse , France;

a Jewish couple in their 20s were beaten up by five

men in Villeurbanne , France . The woman was

pregnant; a Jewish school was broken into and

vandalized in Sarcelles , France . This was just in

the past week.

So I call on you, whether you are a fellow Jew, a

friend, or merely a person with the capacity and

desire to distinguish decency from depravity, to do,

at least, these three simple things:

First, care enough to stay informed. Don't ever let

yourself become deluded into thinking that this is

no t your fight. I remind you of what Pastor

Neimoller said in World War II: "First they came for

the Communists, and I didn't speak up, because I

wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and

I didn't speak up, because I wasn't a Jew. Then they

came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up,

because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me,

and by that time there was no one left to speak up

for me".

Second, boycott France and French products. Only the

Arab countries are more toxically anti-Semitic and,

unlike them, France exports more than just oil and

hatred. So boycott their wines and their perfumes.

Boycott their clothes and their foodstuffs. Boycott

their movies. Definitely boycott their shores. If

we are resolved we can exert amazing pressure and,

whatever else we may know about the French, we most

certainly know that they are like a cobweb in a

hurricane in the face of well directed pressure.

Third, send this along to your family, your friends,

and your co-workers. Think of all of the people of

good conscience that you know and let them know

that you and the people that you care about need

their help. The number one best selling book in

France is "September 11: The Frightening Fraud,"

which argues that no plane ever hit the Pentagon."

With all due respect, I don't consider the Qu'ran to be a holy book, and from what I have gleamed from it, the message is not at all like you stated.

You talk about keeping the faith as what is required to gain entrance into heaven. I get the impression that you feel that all the righteous and good things done by these people earns them "heaven"!

Biblical Christianity states that it's now what we do, but rather what we believe and in whom we trust that get's us to heaven. Noah was justified to God the same way that Abraham was ("Abraham believed God and it was counted unto him for righteousness"), Moses was justified by virtue of the Law and his attempt to keep it in addition to believing God!

Unbder the New Covenent dispensation, we are justified to God and worthy of heaven only through the blood sacrifice of the Messiah, Jesus. There is no contridiction here. Christian beliefs in this area are right in line with the whole mof scripture.

I have had many discussions with Jewish friends (some that kept us up all night in college) and I also believe that your way and their way of worship is as valid as any Christian way.

Even the "Holy Qur'an" says that Jews, Christians and Muslims have equal rights to Heaven.

But even if the "Holy Qur'an" didn't say that, I doubt that the God would allow Moses or Noah, or any of their followers who keep the faith to be pushed out of Heaven by Christians or the ideas of Christians.

Maybe God has put out all these contradictory ideas to test us. That would be compatible with God's MO. Look at Babylon for example.

With all due respect, I don't consider the Qu'ran to be a holy book, and from what I have gleamed from it, the message is not at all like you stated.

You talk about keeping the faith as what is required to gain entrance into heaven. I get the impression that you feel that all the righteous and good things done by these people earns them "heaven"!

Biblical Christianity states that it's now what we do, but rather what we believe and in whom we trust that get's us to heaven. Noah was justified to God the same way that Abraham was ("Abraham believed God and it was counted unto him for righteousness"), Moses was justified by virtue of the Law and his attempt to keep it in addition to believing God!

Unbder the New Covenent dispensation, we are justified to God and worthy of heaven only through the blood sacrifice of the Messiah, Jesus. There is no contridiction here. Christian beliefs in this area are right in line with the whole mof scripture.

I have had many discussions with Jewish friends (some that kept us up all night in college) and I also believe that your way and their way of worship is as valid as any Christian way.

Even the "Holy Qur'an" says that Jews, Christians and Muslims have equal rights to Heaven.

But even if the "Holy Qur'an" didn't say that, I doubt that the God would allow Moses or Noah, or any of their followers who keep the faith to be pushed out of Heaven by Christians or the ideas of Christians.

Maybe God has put out all these contradictory ideas to test us. That would be compatible with God's MO. Look at Babylon for example.

With all due respect, I don't consider the Qu'ran to be a holy book, and from what I have gleamed from it, the message is not at all like you stated.

You talk about keeping the faith as what is required to gain entrance into heaven. I get the impression that you feel that all the righteous and good things done by these people earns them "heaven"!

Biblical Christianity states that it's now what we do, but rather what we believe and in whom we trust that get's us to heaven. Noah was justified to God the same way that Abraham was ("Abraham believed God and it was counted unto him for righteousness"), Moses was justified by virtue of the Law and his attempt to keep it in addition to believing God!

Under the New Covenent dispensation, we are justified to God and worthy of heaven only through accepting the blood sacrifice of the Messiah, Jesus. There is no contridiction here. Christian beliefs in this area are consistant with the whole of scripture.

I have had many discussions with Jewish friends (some that kept us up all night in college) and I also believe that your way and their way of worship is as valid as any Christian way.

Even the "Holy Qur'an" says that Jews, Christians and Muslims have equal rights to Heaven.

But even if the "Holy Qur'an" didn't say that, I doubt that the God would allow Moses or Noah, or any of their followers who keep the faith to be pushed out of Heaven by Christians or the ideas of Christians.

Maybe God has put out all these contradictory ideas to test us. That would be compatible with God's MO. Look at Babylon for example.

"Completed Jews" may be their terminology, but to Judaism they are still considered Christians. However, this still doesn't really answer my original question - why would Christian women use Jewish mens' ritual objects while worshipping Jesus? Just saying that real Christians learn about Judaism b/c Jesus was Jewish just doesn't answer it. I know lots of Christians who are very conversant with Judaism who would never DREAM of utilizing Jewish ritual objects for their own purposes.

I agree with you! Women have no place using a prayer shawl. You will get no argument from me!!

"Completed Jews" may be their terminology, but to Judaism they are still considered Christians. However, this still doesn't really answer my original question - why would Christian women use Jewish mens' ritual objects while worshipping Jesus? Just saying that real Christians learn about Judaism b/c Jesus was Jewish just doesn't answer it. I know lots of Christians who are very conversant with Judaism who would never DREAM of utilizing Jewish ritual objects for their own purposes.

With all due respect, I don't consider the Qu'ran to be a holy book, and from what I have gleamed from it, the message is not at all like you stated.

That is the problem. You say "with all due respect", but you give none.

Just because I don't use the Qur'an as my Holy Book, doesn't make it any less of a Holy Book. You have no respect for the religion of anyone else, but demand total respect for yours, and don't tell me that it is God's way. It is your way and your style. You are not the first “man of God” that I have met.

Allah is the same God as you worship. You make this into a debate over God, but it is a debate over the men who wrote, translated, transcribed and canonized the books purported to be divinely inspired.

Do not accuse me of bashing your God, because I am not bashing "OUR GOD". I am discussing the short sightedness of the people who bring about never-ending war because they can not discuss their Holy Books without killing each other.

There in lies the problem! I don't believe that the God of the Qur'an is the God of the Bible, I don't believe it's author to be a prophet of God, so therefore I consider the Qur'an to be a false book, and Islam to be a false religion. I can't respect a religion that I understand to be false and misleading.

I won't go into all the many reasons why, because I know that you don't care. You want me to respect your views, and yet you don't offer that same respect for my views. You keep trying to make this personal but telling me how wrong my "style" and "beliefs" are, and yet, if I do the same, you get all upset. There is a very big double standard with the things you are saying.

That is the problem. You say "with all due respect", but you give none.

Just because I don't use the Qur'an as my Holy Book, doesn't make it any less of a Holy Book. You have no respect for the religion of anyone else, but demand total respect for yours, and don't tell me that it is God's way. It is your way and your style. You are not the first “man of God” that I have met.

Allah is the same God as you worship. You make this into a debate over God, but it is a debate over the men who wrote, translated, transcribed and canonized the books purported to be divinely inspired.

Do not accuse me of bashing your God, because I am not bashing "OUR GOD". I am discussing the short sightedness of the people who bring about never-ending war because they can not discuss their Holy Books without killing each other.

There in lies the problem! I don't believe that the God of the Qur'an is the God of the Bible, I don't believe it's author to be a prophet of God, so therefore I consider the Qur'an to be a false book, and Islam to be a false religion. I can't respect a religion that I understand to be false and misleading.

Then don't be surprised when other people don't respect your beliefs, esp. when they don't share them.

Believe me, I am not!! You may not share my beliefs or respect them, you you need to respect my right to have them! That is waht you want from me, and it is a 2-way street!

Then don't be surprised when other people don't respect your beliefs, esp. when they don't share them.

Believe me, I am not!! You may not share my beliefs or respect them, you you need to respect my right to have them! That is waht you want from me, and it is a 2-way street!

Then don't be surprised when other people don't respect your beliefs, esp. when they don't share them.

There in lies the problem! I don't believe that the God of the Qur'an is the God of the Bible, I don't believe it's author to be a prophet of God, so therefore I consider the Qur'an to be a false book, and Islam to be a false religion. I can't respect a religion that I understand to be false and misleading.

I won't go into all the many reasons why, because I know that you don't care. You want me to respect your views, and yet you don't offer that same respect for my views. You keep trying to make this personal but telling me how wrong my "style" and "beliefs" are, and yet, if I do the same, you get all upset. There is a very big double standard with the things you are saying.

I respect your beliefs about the Bible except when they put down other people's religions. Your interpretation of the Bible doesn't allow for anyone else's interpretation or other people's “Books of God”, yet many ministers and theologians can accept other people's beliefs and Holy Books.

I do not question your love for Jesus. I do not question you relationship with Jesus. I do question your intolerance for other people's method of worship, and I question your right to blame it on God.

"Who are we to question God's way" is the answer I have heard whenever a Christian is stumped.

Who are you to question God's ways as expressed by other Holy Books than your Bible?

You have no more right to call another Holy Book false than the readers of that Holy Book have to call the Bible False.

You have no more right to call another person's interpretation of the Bible false than that person has to call your interpretation of Bible False.

Yes, I am intolerant of intolerance.

Believe me, I am not!! You may not share my beliefs or respect them, you you need to respect my right to have them! That is waht you want from me, and it is a 2-way street!

I completely respect your right to believe as you want to. I even agree with much of what you believe.

I believe that the Bible is the ONLY authority in spiritual matters, and I make no apoligies for that. The "other theologians and ministers" you refer to are extremly liberial in the outlook, and I believe them to be very wrong. I don't have these beliefs and opinions for nbo reason. I believe they can all be substanciated by scripture. There can be no compromise with the Bible and the things of God, and you won't find any with me. The Bible is absolute and infallible. I blame nothing on God! I echo what the Word of God says. Goid is the author so your disagreement is with Him.

I respect your beliefs about the Bible except when they put down other people's religions. Your interpretation of the Bible doesn't allow for anyone else's interpretation or other people's “Books of God”, yet many ministers and theologians can accept other people's beliefs and Holy Books.

I do not question your love for Jesus. I do not question you relationship with Jesus. I do question your intolerance for other people's method of worship, and I question your right to blame it on God.

"Who are we to question God's way" is the answer I have heard whenever a Christian is stumped.

Who are you to question God's ways as expressed by other Holy Books than your Bible?

You have no more right to call another Holy Book false than the readers of that Holy Book have to call the Bible False.

You have no more right to call another person's interpretation of the Bible false than that person has to call your interpretation of Bible False.

Yes, I am intolerant of intolerance.

Thank-You!

I completely respect your right to believe as you want to. I even agree with much of what you believe.

Ron if someone here believed in the Qur'an and all of its' teachings (not that anyone posting here does, but for the sake of argument we'll pretend that someone does), and they belabored the point that the God of Islam is the same God that you worship, and you disagreed with them, but they would not let it go and kept insisting, in a louder and more coarse voice that their God is the same God because the Qua'ran proves it to be true and furthermore that your Bible cannot be taken literally because it is written by too many different voices and translated too many times, would you take it as an affront to your own beliefs and be insulted by their demeanor, appalled at their insistence of having proof for something that you believe is untrue? Would you be mystified by the fact that they continue to argue until they're blue in the face and get so angry that they make so many mistakes in their writing and spelling that their discourse is often difficult to read and understand and would you think that having them repeat over and over that you are an infidel, are doomed to hell and that they know that it is a fact because the Qur'an proves and promises them that they are right, would those arguments do one thing to change your mind about your belief in the Bible or that Jesus is your Savior?

No? Well then, why are you continuing this discourse? For many of us it seems that you are hell-bent on trying to make yourself feel good about you, or perphaps you just like the sound of your own arguments and the more often you can repeat it, the better you like it. It also seems that the more strident the contest, the happier you are.