Someone recently passed this article on to me, which I posted on another board. It was promptly removed. So sad . . .

Frightening News from France

Once again, the real news in France is conveniently

not being reported as it should. To give you an idea

of what's going on in France where there are now

between 5 and 6 million Muslims and about 600,000 Jews,

here is an email that came from a Jew living in

France. Please read! Will the world say nothing - again - as it did in Hitler's time?

"I AM A JEW -- therefore I am forwarding this to

everyone on all my e-mail lists. I will not sit back

and do nothing." Nowhere have the flames of

anti-Semitism burned more furiously than in France:

Lyon, a car was rammed into a synagogue and set

on fire. In Montpellier, the Jewish religious center

was firebombed; so were synagogues in Strasbourg and

Marseilles; so was a Jewish school in Creteil - all recently.

A Jewish sports club in Toulouse was attacked with

Molotov cocktails, and on the statue of Alfred

Dreyfus in Paris, the words "Dirty Jew" were

painted. In Bondy, 15 men beat up members of a

Jewish football team with sticks and metal bars. The

bus that takes Jewish children to school in

Aubervilliers has been attacked three times in the last 14 months.

According to the Police, metropolitan Paris has seen

10 to 12 anti-Jewish incidents PER DAY in the past

30 days. Walls in Jewish neighborhoods have been

defaced with slogans proclaiming "Jews to the gas

chambers" and "Death to the Jews."

A gunman opened fire on a Kosher butcher's shop

(and, of course, the butcher) in Toulouse , France;

a Jewish couple in their 20s were beaten up by five

men in Villeurbanne , France . The woman was

pregnant; a Jewish school was broken into and

vandalized in Sarcelles , France . This was just in

the past week.

So I call on you, whether you are a fellow Jew, a

friend, or merely a person with the capacity and

desire to distinguish decency from depravity, to do,

at least, these three simple things:

First, care enough to stay informed. Don't ever let

yourself become deluded into thinking that this is

no t your fight. I remind you of what Pastor

Neimoller said in World War II: "First they came for

the Communists, and I didn't speak up, because I

wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and

I didn't speak up, because I wasn't a Jew. Then they

came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up,

because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me,

and by that time there was no one left to speak up

for me".

Second, boycott France and French products. Only the

Arab countries are more toxically anti-Semitic and,

unlike them, France exports more than just oil and

hatred. So boycott their wines and their perfumes.

Boycott their clothes and their foodstuffs. Boycott

their movies. Definitely boycott their shores. If

we are resolved we can exert amazing pressure and,

whatever else we may know about the French, we most

certainly know that they are like a cobweb in a

hurricane in the face of well directed pressure.

Third, send this along to your family, your friends,

and your co-workers. Think of all of the people of

good conscience that you know and let them know

that you and the people that you care about need

their help. The number one best selling book in

France is "September 11: The Frightening Fraud,"

which argues that no plane ever hit the Pentagon."

"I have tried to engage you in serious conversation. You return with remarks and innuendo about my faith, my God and the Bible, and you wonder why I get defensive?"

No one objects to you becoming "defensive", but the problem that bothers many members is that you become "offensive".

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Of course, you are right! I will no longer respond unless someone wish's to have a serious discussion free from all of this nonesense.

Since my beliefs and dialog is based upon the Word of God, those who believe there is no God or who do not believe that the Bible is the literal Word of God will have closed minds and react negatively.

Perhaps a more apporiate dialog would be why many millions of Believers, including myself, consider the Bible to be the literal, infallible Word of God in the first place. That is an area where I can see people having honest objection, but I think there is ample evidence to reach a conclusion beyond a reasonable doubt.

Ron,

Please, please, just let it go. Your efforts have fallen on deaf ears. Only God can soften the hearts of unbelievers. The seeds have been planted and that is really all we mere mortals can do. This has really become nasty and unproductive and in the process God continues to take the lashing. I implore you to let it go and stop responding.

Please.

PS. I'm heading down the street to the Museum of Tolerance to learn a bit more about Anti-Semitism, anyone like to meet me there?

http://www.museumoftolerance.com/site/c.juLVJ8MRKtH/b.1580483/k.BE32/Home.htm

If my fistration in defending my faith comes across as being aggressive, I apoligize! That is not my intent.

"I have tried to engage you in serious conversation. You return with remarks and innuendo about my faith, my God and the Bible, and you wonder why I get defensive?"

No one objects to you becoming "defensive", but the problem that bothers many members is that you become "offensive".

Forgive the typo . . . I meant FUSTRATION in my post!

lethea_g: I am not giving God a lashing. I am not an "unbeliever." If I have said something that sounds personal it's because it is personal, it is not criticism of spritualism or the worship of God. I am offended, as a true believer by this particular messenger. I am offended because it seems to me that he uses his spirituality, his message, his ministry, to be offensive to non-believers and if anyone is offending the Bible's message, I believe it is the offensive messenger. Not the Bible or God. I find this tactic of spreading the Word to be offensive enough that it would be wrong of me to not speak up.

It is very important to me personally for anyone who is questioning the Bible, the existence of God or another's ministry not to be offended by the messenger and confuse that person's rantings with the message of the Bible. I believe it is incumbent upon me to teach the offending teacher.

Unfortunately that mispelling of frustration may have been what we call a "Freudian slip".

In what way do you consider that to be a "Freudian slip"??

As a fellow Christian, let me ask you a serious question? When you hear remarks to the effect the "there is no God", " the Bible is just a bunch of stories", "if there is a God why doesn't He do this or that", and when you try to give a serious answer, you are talked down to, ridiculed for your faith and some openly try to goat you into being angry and provoke arguments . . . HOW DO YOU THINK YOU WOULD REACT?? Please give me an honest answer!

Even you remark here about a "Freudian slip" is taking a shot at me, isn't it?

Unfortunately that mispelling of frustration may have been what we call a "Freudian slip".

Of course, you are right! I will no longer respond unless someone wish's to have a serious discussion free from all of this nonesense.

Since my beliefs and dialog is based upon the Word of God, those who believe there is no God or who do not believe that the Bible is the literal Word of God will have closed minds and react negatively.

Perhaps a more apporiate dialog would be why many millions of Believers, including myself, consider the Bible to be the literal, infallible Word of God in the first place. That is an area where I can see people having honest objection, but I think there is ample evidence to reach a conclusion beyond a reasonable doubt.

You are again being judgmental. You are deciding who has a valid right to differ with you. You are saying that you can have an intelligent discussion only with the choir, per se.

Again, (maybe) subconsciously, you are putting everyone down who doesn't agree with you. You are assuming that you are speaking for God. Did not Jesus say, "Judge not lest thou shall be judged"?

I have compared you with George W. BuSh (in other posts), because he also only wants to talk with his allies. Talking to his enemies can be more productive. Here at LBT, you had no enemies a few days ago when you first posted. I do not consider myself your enemy, but I do disagree with your method of spreading your message 10 times as much as with the message itself.

Please reread what I wrote again. I am not being judgemental. What I am saying is, if some does not believe the Bible to be true and the Word of God, then they obviously won't believe the things that I an saying which is based on the Bible! If you don't believe in the Bible, thatn how could you not be closed minded toward it. Do you disagree with this??

I don't want to "preach to the choir", I would much rather have serious dialog with those who diagree with me. And I have had some serious discussion with some who disagree with me, but there is a small minority who seem only interested in discord. Do you disagree with that??

You are again being judgmental. You are deciding who has a valid right to differ with you. You are saying that you can have an intelligent discussion only with the choir, per se.

Again, (maybe) subconsciously, you are putting everyone down who doesn't agree with you. You are assuming that you are speaking for God. Did not Jesus say, "Judge not lest thou shall be judged"?

I have compared you with George W. BuSh (in other posts), because he also only wants to talk with his allies. Talking to his enemies can be more productive. Here at LBT, you had no enemies a few days ago when you first posted. I do not consider myself your enemy, but I do disagree with your method of spreading your message 10 times as much as with the message itself.

Ron I would love for you use whatever peaceful means you'd like to communicate with someone who says they don't believe in God, the Bible is just a bunch of stories, and if there is a God why doesn't He do this or that. I do not think you should embarrass God by losing your temper. You should know that trying to force something down someone's throat is not the way to get them to believe your message. You should not be offended in any way by someone who does not believe in God or His message. Why would you be? You know God exists, you have strong faith in your ministry, you know that God has reasons for sparing some children and taking others early or for crippling another. You have nothing to apologize for when talking to non-believers, you have no reason to lose your temper and use exclamation marks, hard words and the rest. You should be ABOVE all that.

Your message will be much more believable, and be inspirational to others if it is delivered continuously in an inoffensive, and in fact, loving manner.

On the other hand if you are looking for a scrap and it makes you feel better to provoke people so that you can use, for your own edification, God's scriptures to make yourself feel superior, then continue on the path you've chosen.

P.S. Spelling frustration, FISTration speaks for itself.

Please believe me when I tell you that I am in no way looking to "make myself feel superior"! I have no desire to be the topic here, and I have no illusions of being someone special. I am just someone who loves the Lord!

You are right about losing my temper! I can take all the heat anyone wants to throw at me personally, but I do lose my cool when people denigrate my God and my faith, especially what what they say seems to be baseless and insulting.

Yes, I should be above replying in like manner, but I am human, have emotions and, wrong as it may be, have allowed some to bait me into reacting that way. Admittedly, I need to be more conscious of this, and deal with it differently. I will not allow myself to be brought down to that level again.

I think the reason that I get so upset, is because I do care so deeply for those who don't know the Lord. The Bible say's the it is "God's will that none should perish", and I guess I feel the same way!

Ron I would love for you use whatever peaceful means you'd like to communicate with someone who says they don't believe in God, the Bible is just a bunch of stories, and if there is a God why doesn't He do this or that. I do not think you should embarrass God by losing your temper. You should know that trying to force something down someone's throat is not the way to get them to believe your message. You should not be offended in any way by someone who does not believe in God or His message. Why would you be? You know God exists, you have strong faith in your ministry, you know that God has reasons for sparing some children and taking others early or for crippling another. You have nothing to apologize for when talking to non-believers, you have no reason to lose your temper and use exclamation marks, hard words and the rest. You should be ABOVE all that.

Your message will be much more believable, and be inspirational to others if it is delivered continuously in an inoffensive, and in fact, loving manner.

On the other hand if you are looking for a scrap and it makes you feel better to provoke people so that you can use, for your own edification, God's scriptures to make yourself feel superior, then continue on the path you've chosen.

P.S. Spelling frustration, FISTration speaks for itself.

Please reread what I wrote again. I am not being judgemental. What I am saying is, if some does not believe the Bible to be true and the Word of God, then they obviously won't believe the things that I an saying which is based on the Bible! If you don't believe in the Bible, thatn how could you not be closed minded toward it. Do you disagree with this??

I don't want to "preach to the choir", I would much rather have serious dialog with those who diagree with me. And I have had some serious discussion with some who disagree with me, but there is a small minority who seem only interested in discord. Do you disagree with that??

It doesn't matter if I agree or not. It is how you handle that opinion that matters.

I do not believe in the Bible as a literal document and I know ministers who know the Bible chapter and verse who also don't. But just as I do not believe that a tortoise raced with a hare, I still understand the lesson of that story.

You can talk to me about the Bible. But don't try to prove to me it is literal. I accept Jesus. That should be good enough for you.

I accept your right to believe any way you choose. I to know ministers of liberal Christian church's that believe as you do, but I certainly don't agree with them. They too can believe as they choose.

I don't question that you "accept Jesus"! What I asked you, and this is a sincere question, on what basis and by what authority do you accept Him, if not by biblical implecation? Where does your understanding and belief come from? Isn't that a fair question to ask on this subject??