A friend emailed me this letter concerning Obama's trip to Montana. It is sickening to me all that he is doing to our once wonderful nation. Please read it and comment if you please.

Hello All,

By now you have probably heard that President Obama came to Montana last Friday. However, there are many things that the major news has not covered. I feel that since Bill and I live here and we were at the airport on Friday I should share some facts with you. Whatever you decide to do with the information is up to you. If you chose to share this email with others I do ask that you DELETE my email address before you forward this on.

On Wednesday, August 5th it was announced locally that the President would be coming here. There are many groups here that are against his healthcare and huge spending so those groups began talking and deciding on what they were going to do. The White House would not release ANY details other than the date.

On about Tuesday, Bill found out that they would be holding the "Town Hall" at the airport. (This is only because Bill knows EVERYONE at the airport). Our airport is actually located outside of Belgrade (tiny town) in a very remote location. Nothing is around there. They chose to use a hangar that is the most remotely located hangar. You could not pick a more remote location, and you can not get to it easily. It is totally secluded from the public.

FYI: We have many areas in Belgrade and Bozeman which could have held a large amount of folks with sufficient parking. (gymnasiums/auditoriums). All of which have chairs and tables, and would not have to be SHIPPED IN. $$$$$

During the week, cargo by the TONS was being shipped in constantly. Airport employees could not believe how it just kept coming. Though it was our President coming, several expressed how excessive it was, especially during a recession. $$$$$

Late Tuesday/early Wednesday the 12th, they said that tickets would be handed out on Thursday, 9am at two locations, and the president would be arriving around 12:30 Friday.

Thursday morning about 600 tickets were passed out. However, 1500 were printed at a Local printing shop per White House request. Hmmmm......900 tickets just DISAPPEARED.

This same morning someone called into the radio from the local UPS branch and said that THOUSANDS of Dollars of Lobster were shipped in for Obama. Montana has some of the best beef in the nation! And it would have been really wonderful to help out the local economy. Anyone heard of the Recession?? Just think...with all of the traveling the White House is doing. $$$$$ One can only imagine what else we are paying for.

On Friday, Bill and I got out to the airport about 10:45am. The groups that wanted to protest Obama's spending and healthcare had gotten a permit to protest and that area was roped off. But that was not to be. A large bus carrying SEIU (Service Employees International Union) members drove up onto the area (illegal) and unloaded right there. It was quite a commotion and there were specifically 2 SEIU men trying to make trouble and start a fight. Police did get involved and arrested the one man but they said they did not have the manpower to remove the SEIU crowd.

The SEIU crowd was very organized and young. About 99% were under the age of 30 and they were not locals! They had bullhorns and PROFESSIONALLY made signs. Some even wore preprinted T-shirts. Oh, and Planned Parenthood folks were with them.....professing abortion rights with their T-shirts and preprinted signs. (BTW, all these folks did have a permit to protest in ANOTHER area)

Those against healthcare/spending moved away from the SEIU crowd to avoid confrontation. They were orderly and respectful. Even though SEIU kept coming over and walking through, continuing to be very intimidating and aggressive at the direction of the one SEIU man.

So, we had Montana folks from ALL OVER the state with their homemade signs and their DOGS with homemade signs. We had cowboys, nurses, doctors you name it. There was even a guy from Texas who had been driving through. He found out about the occasion, went to the store, made a sign, and came to protest.

If you are wondering about the press... Well, all of the major networks were over by that remote hangar I mentioned. They were conveniently parked on the other side of the buildings FAR away. None of these crowds were even visible to them. I have my doubts that they knew anything about the crowds.

We did have some local news media around us from this state and Idaho . Speaking of the local media...they were invited. However, all questions were to be turned into the White House in advance of the event. Wouldn't want anyone to have to think off the top of their head.

It was very obvious that it was meant to be totally controlled by the White House. Everything was orchestrated down to the last detail to make it appear that Montana is just crazy for Obama and government healthcare. Even those people that talked about their insurance woes...the White House called our local HRDC (Human Resource and Development Committee) and asked for names. Then the White House asked those folks to come. Smoke and mirrors...EVERYTHING was staged!!!!!!!!!!!

I am very dismayed about what I learned about our current White House. The amount of control and manipulation was unbelievable. I felt I was not living in the United States of America , more like the USSR. I was physically nauseous.

Bill and I have been around when Presidents or Heads of State visit. It has NEVER been like this. I am truly very frightened for our country. America needs your prayers and your voices. If you care about our country please get involved. Know the issues. And let Congress hear your voices again and again! If they are willing to put forth so much effort to BULLY a small town one can only imagine what is going on in Washington DC. Scary.

K.

Bozeman , Montana

That's fine if people believe that homosexuality is a sin, but aren't you supposed to let god judge those that sin? Yet it's so hard for some people to follow that. If it truly is a sin and there really is a god, he'll take care of that. It's not up to individual people to go around judging others.

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Let's replace the sin of homosexuality with the sin of murder in that sentence. They are both sins according to God.

"That's fine if people believe that murder is a sin. But aren't you supposed to let god

judge those that sin? Yet it's so hard for some people to follow that. If murder truly is a sin and there really is a god, he'll take care of that. It's not up to individual people to go around judging others. "

Now, if we were talking about any other sin, you wouldn't feel that the people shouldn't get involved. But because it is the sin of homosexuality, you feel that the people shouldn't get involved. Sin is sin.

Way to avoid the issue. Aren't you supposed to let god judge them?

Murder directly impacts someone else's life. Homosexuality should only affect those that are homosexual. Are you telling me that somebody murdering your mother, and finding out that your mother is a lesbian are the same?

Homosexuality doesn't impact you directly like murder can. What difference does it make to you if someone else is a homosexual - it should have no effect on your life even if you think it is a sin. Again aren't you supposed to let god judge?

You have every right to disapprove of gays and abortions but you have no right to implement laws around it because of the belief system you follow.

Why not? The American people impliment laws according to their beliefs all the time. Bjean 'believes' a woman has the right to choose to carry a baby or to kill it. This is the law we have now. Someones belief system implemented this law. Of course I have a right to implement laws according to my beliefs. So do you. Your representaives 'should' speak for you, and those I voted for 'hopefully' will speak for me.

Granted. You can “try” to get laws passed because of your beliefs. And if you do, it will be the law and it should be respected as law. They did it here in California with Prop 8, so for now it is illegal for gays to marry in California. The problem for you is that most people have moved past that way of thinking and are seeing the religious right for what they are and will change the laws accordingly. For you to have any chance in passing and maintaining these laws, it seems to me you will have to make them for secular reasons. Otherwise only the limited people that feel as you do will vote for them.

People are not 'born' gay. They are born men and women. The act of homosexuality is just that. An act. You may 'choose' to participate or 'choose' not to.

If you feel that you are more attracted to the same sex than the opposite sex, you have a decision to make. You can obey God and not act on your lust or you can indulge. But to say that God is pleased with your decision to participate because you have had these desires since as long as you could remember doesn't make it so. He is NOT pleased with it.

Patty, I can’t disagree more with you on this issue. The medical field is with me on this too (psychologists and medical doctors). Not everyone falls into a nice little category of male and female (or heterosexual). I’m sure I will anger some of my liberal friends by saying that I do believe that some people choose the gay lifestyle (I think Anne Heche chose it while Ellen DeGeneres did not for example), but I think that group is a minority of the gay community. Conversely, I would also say that there are some gay people that choose to live as heterosexuals.

Way to avoid the issue. Aren't you supposed to let god judge them?

Murder directly impacts someone else's life. Homosexuality should only affect those that are homosexual. Are you telling me that somebody murdering your mother, and finding out that your mother is a lesbian are the same?

Homosexuality doesn't impact you directly like murder can. What difference does it make to you if someone else is a homosexual - it should have no effect on your life even if you think it is a sin. Again aren't you supposed to let god judge?

Beautiful.

I was sitting here trying to articulate a good response to such an asinine argument and you went and beat me to it, bravo.

And by the way Patty…

a Sin is a Sin and Law is a Law. One has meaning to all of us, the other only has meaning to those that believe in it, do you know which is which?

Patty,

If you took the time to talk with some gay people I'm sure you would hear that most of those people have always felt they didn't fit in their skin. My niece is gay and I can tell you from my own personal observation that this girl was indeed born gay. Why would God judge her sexuality as a sin when her created her this way???

Way to avoid the issue. Aren't you supposed to let god judge them?

Murder directly impacts someone else's life. Homosexuality should only affect those that are homosexual. Are you telling me that somebody murdering your mother, and finding out that your mother is a lesbian are the same?

Homosexuality doesn't impact you directly like murder can. What difference does it make to you if someone else is a homosexual - it should have no effect on your life even if you think it is a sin. Again aren't you supposed to let god judge?

Absoluterly untrue. The sins of one can affect a whole society. When we allow sin in our midst, it's like a rotton apple that affects the whole barrel of apples. Not just homosexuality, but all sin.

As for God judging. He does judge. He will judge. My pointing out that homosexuality is a sin is not my casting judgement. It's telling what God has already said.

Patty,

If you took the time to talk with some gay people I'm sure you would hear that most of those people have always felt they didn't fit in their skin. My niece is gay and I can tell you from my own personal observation that this girl was indeed born gay. Why would God judge her sexuality as a sin when her created her this way???

because it is untrue to say that he created her that way.

Absoluterly untrue. The sins of one can affect a whole society. When we allow sin in our midst, it's like a rotton apple that affects the whole barrel of apples. Not just homosexuality, but all sin.

As for God judging. He does judge. He will judge. My pointing out that homosexuality is a sin is not my casting judgement. It's telling what God has already said.

How does, let's use FailureIsNotAnOption for example - how does her niece being a homosexual impact or effect you at all?

Absoluterly untrue. The sins of one can affect a whole society. When we allow sin in our midst, it's like a rotton apple that affects the whole barrel of apples. Not just homosexuality, but all sin.

As for God judging. He does judge. He will judge. My pointing out that homosexuality is a sin is not my casting judgement. It's telling what God has already said.

Absoluterly???

Now it all makes sense, George Bush lives in your head:biggrin:

because it is untrue to say that he created her that way.

Why is this untrue? You don't know this. Why are you so narrow minded?

You call us liberals like its a bad thing. Why? because our minds are open to new ideas and possibilities? Because we are capable of seeing things from more then one perspective? Because we are open to change? Because we are accepting of others and believe it is okay to be different? Because we don't look down our noses at people who don't fit the norm as designed by your views of Christianity? Give me a break!

{QUOTE}For you to have any chance in passing and maintaining these laws, it seems to me you will have to make them for secular reasons. Otherwise only the limited people that feel as you do will vote for them.

Christians are not a 'limited' people in this nation. There are 90% of us here. I beleieve that for christians to have any hope in passing these laws our way we need to teach the congregants of our local Christian churches the truth about what God says on these issues.

Just a minor point of clarification, Obama openly opposed the Iraq war but he was not in the US Senate at the time so he couldn’t actually vote against it (Ted Kennedy did vote against it). I can’t really fault the ignorance of those that did vote for it now tough. They (along with the American people and the UN) were lied to by the other branch of government about almost everything that led up to the war. If they did oppose it they would have appeared stupid or unpatriotic at the time.

Oops. My bad.

Patty, I can’t disagree more with you on this issue. The medical field is with me on this too (psychologists and medical doctors). Not everyone falls into a nice little category of male and female (or heterosexual). I’m sure I will anger some of my liberal friends by saying that I do believe that some people choose the gay lifestyle (I think Anne Heche chose it while Ellen DeGeneres did not for example), but I think that group is a minority of the gay community. Conversely, I would also say that there are some gay people that choose to live as heterosexuals.

My sister chooses to have a gay relationship with her girlfriend. Before that she was married to my brother-in-law for 26 years. My nephew says he has always liked the same sex. I have had conversations with those who are gay. I choose to believe what God says about it. He says it is sinful to have sex with the same sex, and I believe him.

Beautiful.

I was sitting here trying to articulate a good response to such an asinine argument and you went and beat me to it, bravo.

And by the way Patty…

a Sin is a Sin and Law is a Law. One has meaning to all of us, the other only has meaning to those that believe in it, do you know which is which?

We are to obey those who have authority over us as God has taught us, except when in doing so it will cause you to go against God's command. Therefore, even if the law of the land gave me the right to have an abortion, I would never do it because God has said it is wrong. I would prefer that the law of the land do the right thing, but since it doesn't, there isn't much that I can do about it. (except try to change the law through my elected officials) I am not sorrowful for myself that the laws allow abortion, but it is sorrow for all of those who commit such sinful atrocities and for all the babies that will never get a chance to experience humanity. Unrepented sin leads to eternal separation from God and that is what is very sad.

How does, let's use FailureIsNotAnOption for example - how does her niece being a homosexual impact or effect you at all?

When society as a whole condones what God deems wrong, it affects everyone. First of all, but not the most important factor; if everyone were gay, it would end the reproduction of the human race. But seriously, the family unit was set up by God. Children need both fathers and mothers to be brought up functionally. They both contribute something to the child rearing experience. When what is deemed sinful by God is accepted by society, public schools will begin to add it to their curriculum as if it were the way it's supposed to be, and it's not. With the legal onset of gay marriage, governments will be in the position of forcing onto citizens a belief system that equates homosexuality with heterosexuality — through public schools, taxpayer-funded programs like charities and non-profits, workplaces and even faith based organizations that receive public dollars.

It will be a new legal and social norm and the law is going to enforce this new social and legal norm on people. This is in complete defiance of what God says. Whenever the government allows sin to be the norm by making it lawful, taxpayers who feel it is immoral will be contributing to it in some way financially. This is unacceptable.