Miss California, Carrie Prejean, was runner up for the Miss USA Pageant. She answered a question about gay marriages, and gave her opinion on what she feels about homosexuals being allowed to get married. She said that she feels they should not be married. She was told by her state sponsors that she needed to apologize to the gay community. They also told her to not talk about her beliefs. She refused to do so. Since when, in this country, can't you speak your opinion, without being bashed for it? The homosexual community has no problem telling others how they feel about it. I don't agree with them, but I'm not asking for an apology from anyone who's gay.

I applaud her for standing up for what she felt was the right answer and not backing down on her beliefs when the question was posed. She was representing the majority of the people in California when she gave her answer, after all.

I believe that if you are homosexual and you want to live that life style, it's your life, so go ahead. But I also believe that God instituted the marriage union between a man and a woman together. They say their vows to Him. So, to call the homosexual lifestyle a 'marriage' is a wrong term for it. It's not a marriage. Why can't they call it a civil union, or anything else they like. Like maybe "Partnership" or how about "a love unit". Whatever. The term 'marriage' is already taken. They can still have all the same rights as married couples do. Why aren't they satisfied with that? Do they just like to argue?

God did create marriage in the beginning when he joined Adam and Eve together and told them to procreate. And Yes, that was before the many laws that humans made, and the laws of human beings stem from God's original laws on human rights and wrongs and what he deems acceptable or not.

You are correct in saying that you are here as a creation of God, and a creation he loves dearly, but the choices that you make in life are yours and yours alone, not Gods. He created man and woman and gave them their body parts to fit together and to procreate as he had planned for them. It was not in his plan for men to get together with men or for women to get together with women. If you desire to sleep with other women, it is because it's what you desire, not what God planned for you. A gay person can make a decision to either fulfill his own desires in life, OR follow God's plan for themselves. It's their choice. You or anyone else who is gay is not a part of any bigger design of Gods. God designed you as a woman, and expected you to get married and then have sex with the man you married, or otherwise stay single and not have sex at all.

Patty, PLEASE don't proselytize to people. What they do is not for you to judge by wielding God against them. Not everybody believes in God, and even if they do, not everybody believes in the same rules. This thread should not be another chance for you to judge others in this manner. :drool:

I would not vote for gay marriages if it were put to a vote, which is what I think they should do in every state for every controversial issue. If they voted for civil unions, I would vote no as well, but if the choice were between the 2, I'd vote yes to civil unions over marriage. I would like to see the rights of gay couples protected. By rights I mean property, hosp. visits, insurance, etc. These are rights that everyone should have anyway, whether gay or not. But, aren't these rights already there for everyone who knows how to see an attorney and have what they want written up?

Patty,

I should have known better than to fall into one of your post traps again spouting your religion, no thanks:thumbdown:

Beth, I am simply responding to her thread. She spoke about God and his creation and his design for gay people.

What I say about God's plan for marriage is for all mankind, myself included. Gay, straight, or whatever. He had one plan for men and women. Most mankind, myself included, gets it wrong. I did it all backwards and had a baby before I was married and lived with the father before we got married as well. So, I'm not saying I don't sin and I'm judging noone. I'm just pointing out what God's plan is for marriage. Mankind makes choices to either follow it or not.

I wish you got it, Patty, I really do. Sadly, your type of Christian runs people off in droves. :drool:

Why am I picturing the mother from the movie "Carrie"?:drool:

Why am I picturing the mother from the movie "Carrie"?:drool:

Hahahaha...."Funpillows!!"

Wow! I'm going to get all my advice from Patty from now...she seems to have a direct line to God! All this time I thought "My God" loves everyone..gay/straight, FAT/skinny.. My minister asked us, "Would Jesus Descriminate?" I'm sure Patty knows the answer to that!

Maybe if we all ignore her she will go away. It's not like I ever see any lap band related postings anyhow. All preaching.

Wow! I'm going to get all my advice from Patty from now...she seems to have a direct line to God! All this time I thought "My God" loves everyone..gay/straight, FAT/skinny.. My minister asked us, "Would Jesus Descriminate?" I'm sure Patty knows the answer to that!

Wow! You're really thick. I believe I stated that God loves everyone, but that he hates our sin. (homosexuality, gluttony, etc.) What don't you get about that? Jesus doesn't discriminate against anyone when it comes to who he loves. And as for having a direct line to God, YES! I do, and so does everybody.

Maybe if we all ignore her she will go away. It's not like I ever see any lap band related postings anyhow. All preaching.

This is the off topic rants and raves section. I don't need to talk about lap band anymore in any other sections. I'm all talked out on that subject for now.

I wish you got it, Patty, I really do. Sadly, your type of Christian runs people off in droves. :biggrin:

Sorry you feel that way, Beth. But my kind of Christian is the kind that doesn't mince words. Sometimes people just need to hear the truth about sin and how God feels about it, so they could do something about it and maybe have a chance for eternal life. It's those christians who are so accepting and tolerant and say "live and let live" who don't really care about the souls of others. I don't have any problem at all with people making their own choices in life on how they want to live. It's truly up to them. I just want them to know that the one who created them is not pleased with their choices sometimes and that they will reap the consequences in the next life if they don't recognize their choices as sinful and repent like so many others have done. So, you're wrong when you say I don't get it. I get it fine.

Why am I picturing the mother from the movie "Carrie"?:biggrin:

OMG that is hilarious and a little disturbing because that's how I pictured her when I saw her preaching in another thread!

Wow! You're really thick. I believe I stated that God loves everyone, but that he hates our sin. (homosexuality, gluttony, etc.) What don't you get about that? Jesus doesn't discriminate against anyone when it comes to who he loves. And as for having a direct line to God, YES! I do, and so does everybody.

Then maybe you should leave it to "your" God to do the hating...

I'm sorry Patty, but you need more help than Lap-band surgery has to offer...God told me!

Sorry you feel that way, Beth. But my kind of Christian is the kind that doesn't mince words. Sometimes people just need to hear the truth about sin and how God feels about it, so they could do something about it and maybe have a chance for eternal life. It's those christians who are so accepting and tolerant and say "live and let live" who don't really care about the souls of others. I don't have any problem at all with people making their own choices in life on how they want to live. It's truly up to them. I just want them to know that the one who created them is not pleased with their choices sometimes and that they will reap the consequences in the next life if they don't recognize their choices as sinful and repent like so many others have done. So, you're wrong when you say I don't get it. I get it fine.

Patty, God said some plant seeds, others sow them, and yet others reap them. He never said some are hurricanes that blow the seeds away. You, dear, are a hurricane.