I believe that God exists. He is real and ever present. I believe he is sad when he looks down upon the earth and sees what mankind is doing. I also believe that he has a plan. His Son will return one day and end all of this madness, and take his rightful throne as King of Kings. Would anyone like to talk with me on this subject? I'm starting this new post, because some on this LBT rants and raves section don't want me to even mention God on a thread that's about abortion or the Octuplet mom or any other subject. So, I will start this thread that is only about Him and/or religion. What do you say? Is God real? Will He really return to earth one day?

People claim to not believe in God because it is 'not scientific' or for 'lack of proof'. The true reason is that once people admit that there is a God, they also must realize that they are responsible to God and in need of forgiveness from him. If God exists then we are accountable for our actions to him. If God does not exist, then we can do whatever we want without having to worry about God judging us. That is why evolution is so strongly clung to by many in our society-- to give people an alternative to believing in a creator, God. God exists and ultimately in each mans heart, they know he exists. The very fact that some attempt so aggressively to disprove His existence is in fact an arguement for his existence.

God is real for those who believe it. I have only a small thing to say. After looking around the world and the universe, I can find no reason not to believe in God.

God is real for those who believe it. I have only a small thing to say. After looking around the world and the universe, I can find no reason not to believe in God.

I have done too much reading on this question, I suspect and I can only believe in science.

People claim to not believe in God because it is 'not scientific' or for 'lack of proof'.

Kind of a silly justification, when religion is based on Faith.

Wouldn't really be faith if there was proof & a scientific explination, now would it?

Ever heard of circumstantial evidence? There is plenty of that. One that comes to mind.....Why would the 12 apostles who witnessed Jesus' life and miracles and death and resurrection give their lives for something that was a lie? They believed Jesus was God come in the flesh for mankind and staked their very own lives on it. Not just one of them, but all of them did. They each died for bringing the gospel to the people at different times and in different ways. Their testimonies of what happened were witnessed by thousands of people. We never saw Abraham Lincoln, but we believe in his writings and what is told about him.

Ever heard of circumstantial evidence? There is plenty of that. One that comes to mind.....Why would the 12 apostles who witnessed Jesus' life and miracles and death and resurrection give their lives for something that was a lie? They believed Jesus was God come in the flesh for mankind and staked their very own lives on it. Not just one of them, but all of them did. They each died for bringing the gospel to the people at different times and in different ways. Their testimonies of what happened were witnessed by thousands of people. We never saw Abraham Lincoln, but we believe in his writings and what is told about him.

Hmmm,

You should be careful with that train of thought. By that same reasoning David Koresh and Jim Jones may have been god too. They told their people that they were, and their people followed them to their deaths. In the case of Jones it was some 900 people.

You can't use actions of the followers to validate the “facts” about god or jesus.

Kind of a silly justification, when religion is based on Faith.

Wouldn't really be faith if there was proof & a scientific explination, now would it?

If theists had proof they wouldn't need faith.

That's my point!

That's my point!

I know what you wrote, I was making it more clear for PG. ;o)

Hmmm,

You should be careful with that train of thought. By that same reasoning David Koresh and Jim Jones may have been god too. They told their people that they were, and their people followed them to their deaths. In the case of Jones it was some 900 people.

You can't use actions of the followers to validate the “facts” about god or jesus.

And after they died off ,where did they go? Are people still following them and placing their whole existence and faith in them? No. But Jesus hasn't gone anywhere. The bible speaks of men who claimed to be God, and their time came and went also. But God allowed man to keep Jesus around since the beginning of time. Time is even calculated by his coming.(AD & BC)The bible is the #1 best selling book. Is the whole country duped? Cause stats show that only 9% of Americans don't pray.

And after they died off ,where did they go? Are people still following them and placing their whole existence and faith in them? No. But Jesus hasn't gone anywhere. The bible speaks of men who claimed to be God, and their time came and went also. But God allowed man to keep Jesus around since the beginning of time. Time is even calculated by his coming.(AD & BC)The bible is the #1 best selling book. Is the whole country duped? Cause stats show that only 9% of Americans don't pray.

Whoa now, there you go again.

Time is NOT calculated by the coming of Jesus. Time is calculated by a precise scientific relation of the Earths rotation around its axis (hours and minutes) and its relative position around the sun (months).

BC and AD are frames of reference on the Julian and Gregorian calendar (but not used at all on the Hebrew, Moslem, Hindu, American Indian, etc. calendars), but his birth and death have little relevance to the way time functions. In fact, BC and AD are not all that precise since the historical record doesn’t really show exactly when Jesus was born. Even the bible is conflicted on this topic. Matthew says he was born during King Herod's reign (Herod died in 4 BC) Luke says he was born during the reign of Cyrenius in Syria which began in AD 6. Which is right? Which part of the bible should we have faith in?

This little example is a great illustration of the many inaccuracies and inconsistencies contained within the bible that make it hard for many of us to believe in it. The four gospels are often considered the most important part of the New Testament, yet they actually are riddled with inconsistency, omissions and historical inaccuracies such as this one.

Where do all those bibles go anyway? I'm not sure people are reading them, if they did they might be even more confused than they were before they read it.:thumbdown:

And after they died off ,where did they go? Are people still following them and placing their whole existence and faith in them?

Well, to be truthful, there are still practicing Davidians. I think they still worship David Koresh. I don't think the cult of Jim Jones still exists, but I could be wrong.

I bet you could find some Jim Jones followers somewhere, waiting to make the next town.

I bet you could find some Jim Jones followers somewhere, waiting to make the next town.

Bet there won't be much Kool-Aid in the new town.

Other historic writers who date from that era do not seem to corroborate that Jesus did exist, except Josephus, the Historian and there is evidence that his material was substituted later. The way I see, believers say believe in God; the Bible says He exists but there is ample evidence that the Bible was a collection of documents written by a group of individuals, and writen very much later than after Christ ceased to exist: how accurate are men's memories, then?