There is no place to post this where newbies won't see it and newbies are likely to become annoyed, accuse me of being mean... whatever. So be it, go for it and say what you have to say. Cuz you know what? I don't care.

I received a PM this morning regarding a thread where someone did as they do, cheated on the post op diet. Someone a little more experienced came back essentially saying that when s/he cheated an old timer came back throwing a fit. It was probably me that s/he was talking about. Okay. I probably did throw a fit.

The more experienced bandster went on to say that they didn't believe anything I wrote and they had no problems from cheating on the post op diet.

How stupid is that? Seriously, what kind of dumb ass does it take to say it's no biggie to go against the post op instructions?

The claim is that the diet has changed and all these docs have different diets so it really doesn't seem to matter what you eat because (the way I read it anyway) regardless of what you eat post op you are following SOME doctor's diet SOMEWHERE.

Yeah, this is true. Some docs don't even mention there IS a post op diet (Laurend's doc, for example). Others are too strict such as my own doc.

Anyone know why the docs are changing the post op diet? They are dumbing it down for us. We don't follow the diet. My own doc did the same thing. His thinking was that people aren't doing what they are supposed to so to make it a little easier he essentially dumbed it down so that people wouldn't cheat.

I can understand that, and to be honest I am the one that pushed him into changing the diet because people are not following it anyway. His was two weeks of clears, two weeks of fulls, two weeks of solids, and gradually reintroduce solids. That is too much, people couldn't do two weeks of clears so they eat fried chicken at 4 days post op. I think the thinking from patients is that if they are going to cheat anyway, they might as well go for it. When I approached him about changing the post op diet he was a little annoyed and basically said if I could do a better job with it to write it out and he'd consider it. He took most of my suggestions, not all but most.

You know, the stats for slips are increasing. They have gone from 3% globally to now Inamed is hinting that it is up to 7%.

Gee, I wonder why.

When I saw that thread I had to restrain myself from suggesting all dumb asses eat taffy and steak right after surgery. I actually had to restrain myself from writing that. I'm to the point that I don't care, they can eat what they want. It's their band, their stupidity, their everything. I'm not talking someone who learns from their mistake but instead someone who changes their beliefs to fit their behaviors. Big, huge, mega difference. I am not talking someone who doesn't understand the reasoning behind the diet, I'm talking someone who knows full well why the diet is important, WHAT is healing (and it's not stomach swelling), someone who knows they are doing something wrong and instead of bloody well taking responsibility for their own actions they justify it by changing their beliefs to fit their behaviors and telling newbies that the old timers are wrong.

You know what isn't wrong? Slips that have more than doubled since docs started changing the diet. At first I thought it was newbie docs that didn't have a clue what they were doing because they are not experienced. Everyone wants a piece of the $$$ bariatric pie. It's easy money for many docs. I thought it was their technique. But you know, it's since the docs started changing post op diets that slips have more than doubled.

But those of us who have followed the diets, worked hard, and reached or are reaching goal... we don't know what we are talking about.

I don't know how much longer I'm going to harp about post op diets. It might make a difference to a small few but I see posts whining about old timers and others whining that we don't know what we are talking about.

I'm going to stick to pushing research BEFORE surgery. Let the dumb ass idiots eat steak and taffy if they are truly dumb asses. It's their band, their choice. AGAIN!!!! I am referring to those that know better but change their beliefs based on their own behaviors vs. reality.

I honestly don't know if I am in a pissy mood today or if I actually mean what I am writing. How's that for distorted!

Bert...

Nahhh... we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

If we really want to overcome our issues a bit of honesty is in order. As I explained carefully previously, there is a difference between saying, "I know my doctor wants me to do "X" and I am well aware that if I don't follow "X" I may pay for it later with a slip." Vs.... "I know more than my MD, I know my body, I know far more about medicine that he does and he is simply wrong."

One is honesty, the other is changing beliefs to fit a behavior.

Losing weight and getting to goal does require honesty with self. If we don't face our issues, it ain't gonna happen.

I don't buy into the kind of support where I pat heads of people doing things that could harm their weight loss and harm them period. Sometimes support means a bit of reality. People who make "nice nice" talk and support bad choices are not supportive. They are usually justifying their own behaviors as well. I'm quite sure they mean well, but it doesn't mean they are supportive.

I'm a newbie who's not yet banded and in reference to your original post here, I'd more than welcome what you have to say because you've been there, done that. I value the opinions of those who've been through it. I'm hoping I won't need a kick in the ass after I have my surgery, but if I do, I welcome you to kick my ass! lol