I read some interesting comments today and I wanted to make something really clear.

Out of all these people around the globe that are on this website, there are going to be some of us that have found post op, that this surgery was the wrong decision.

If you want this website to be honest and truthful, a source of good solid information for people considering surgery and a source of support for people post op, then everyone's experiences should be welcome.

The reason's I think this surgery was wrong for me has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with my post op complications!

And as for comments about people who regret their surgeries and have complications because:

• "houses were dirty"

• "they didn't follow instructions"

• "they haven't seen the great results yet"

• "they are just negative people and negative people are more vocal

So, just let me tell you this, some of us simply made a mistake.

We thought this was a good plan, we took advice, did our research, attended the seminars and weigh ins (in my case, two years attending).

We met our surgeons, we discussed our pre existing conditions, we spoke to our family and friends.

I myself have a counsellor, did CBT counselling for the entire two years pre op and am deemed emotionally and mentally sound. (just as an aside, my NHS CBT counsellor did not agree with this surgery).

I checked with my pain mgt team about the efficacy of my medications post op.

And it was still a mistake!

And so what?

It happens. And people like me should be able to explain these things without others trying to negate our admission of this mistake by offering excuses as to why we are unhappy with our decision.

I could have floated onto a cloud, had magical unicorns lick away my stomach, and woke up in paradise fully healed, sipping a cocktail in the sun and I would still tell you that this was a mistake for ME. And for many of my friends.

It doesn't matter how many years post op I get, I will consider this a mistake.

My house is not dirty, I followed instructions to the letter, I consider my bariatric discharge booklet my life guideline and I never variate.

I keep in touch with anyone and everyone in my medical care stream that might be helpful.

And complications happened. And yes, to many of us in our bariatric system. But again, it was not the complications that disturb us.

We all have different reasons for regretting it.

Most of us feel that we were misinformed, which doesn't help. My neighbour regrets her bypass because of her now permanent diarrhea and no improvement in her diabetes. She tells me that she has to think about food most of the day just to keep herself fed (choosing the right foods so as not to vomit), and she could have simply dieted harder if she had known she would have to think of food all day. She is three years post op and she still struggles with dehydration. Her hair never grew back after the initial drop out.

I myself am only 9 weeks post op and have had complications so I can't know what my future holds.

I miss eating quickly and simply in a way that doesn't have to be well thought out.

I want to be able to eat a full salad, maybe even with dressings, without worrying about which component might not agree with me.

I want to be able to eat any kind of meat I want cooked how I want in the quantity I want.

I want to drink beverages with my meals.

I miss a morning coffee or afternoon tea. I miss ice tea. (I know other people can drink it but I can't now).

I don't want to have to plan my food day meticulously or be different from others around me eating.

I want my medications to work again in the way they did pre op to control my fibromyalgia symptoms.

And I have definitely seen weightloss results. As I was lying there starving to death for seven weeks, I have lost all but 20lbs of my expected and required excess weight to satisfy my healthcare team. ( I am still only getting around 500 cals a day in, but have constant diarrhea so who knows how much stays in).

I now look "normal" except for the grey pallor in my skin and the nappy I now have to wear because of fecal incontinence (my IBS-d was totally controlled before surgery).

I am six dress sizes smaller but can only leave my house if I don't eat anything and wear adult protection in case of Water causing an "accident". Or in case I become faint from lack of food and fall.

So I do actually feel that had I read a forum entry like this, I might have thought twice.

And that's a good thing. If people are scared, that's okay. Let them hear more than just "don't worry, I was fine, you will be too!" Because maybe they won't!

So this is not about complications, it's about people.

One size does not fit all. Some of us should have simply accepted our weight, or worked harder to diet it off. Had I taken in only 300 to 500 calories a day for 9 weeks pre op, I would have lost all this weight anyway.

If you are happy, well done! If you are dead set on going ahead, ignore this. If you are a high BMI person (think 600lb life), God bless you, this may save your life, if you are a food addict, I feel your pain.

You will still have to diet post op! You will still have to exercise.

If you are undecided, then simply take a breath, think about it, really examine your food issues. Could you do more to lose weight? Could you move a bit more and eat a bit less?

Anyway, I am where I am and I plan to make the best of what I have left. And I intend to keep making sure that pre op people have a good think and post op people like me have someone they can talk to.

Thanks to everyone who is supporting me.

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Tries to understand how having a food addiction and having no issues with food can be congruent.... Oh wait they can't....

Gina I'm sorry you are frustrated, sick, sad, angry and all the rest...

But the first step is being honest with yourself. You have said a number of contradictory things about yourself and your journey. You are placing blame because you can't cope with the idea you played a role in your situation.

Your lashing out at others while understandable is not acceptable

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You are absolutely right about a lot of your points and my continued discussion here is not at all for the benefit of the OP, but for the benefit of those who are reading, researching and deciding.

It became clear that the "lack of knowledge" complained about initially is easily discovered with a few clicks around the internet. The further damage/debacles that developed were not fully explained until further discussion was provoked. Without that further discussion, many reading could have easily come to the conclusion that this potentially life saving surgery does not come without MANY potential and **hidden** risks. Now that we know the backstory and the medical condition of the OP pre-op, it's quite apparent that her case is highly unlikely to repeat itself.

Exactly. Even though most of us just can't resist trying to point out reality to someone so clearly in denial (because we DO want them to have hope) it's also about people who are pre op like me finding some answers about this dreadful situation because we are looking for ALL the facts. I'm glad I found the pre op backstory so I know what caused these problems.

Maybe this will help people who are already seriously ill realize that the surgery won't fix everything.

You are absolutely right about a lot of your points and my continued discussion here is not at all for the benefit of the OP, but for the benefit of those who are reading, researching and deciding.

It became clear that the "lack of knowledge" complained about initially is easily discovered with a few clicks around the internet. The further damage/debacles that developed were not fully explained until further discussion was provoked. Without that further discussion, many reading could have easily come to the conclusion that this potentially life saving surgery does not come without MANY potential and **hidden** risks. Now that we know the backstory and the medical condition of the OP pre-op, it's quite apparent that her case is highly unlikely to repeat itself.

Exactly. Even though most of us just can't resist trying to point out reality to someone so clearly in denial (because we DO want them to have hope) it's also about people who are pre op like me finding some answers about this dreadful situation because we are looking for ALL the facts. I'm glad I found the pre op backstory so I know what caused these problems.

Maybe this will help people who are already seriously ill realize that the surgery won't fix everything.

Fabulous. You made 23 pages of internet hot mess worth it.

I truly hope this thread ends soon, it's so frustrating to read!

Let me make the point that I hinted at several pages back...

THIS ISN'T ABOUT WLS, it's about politics and what comes from BIG GOVERNMENT OVERREACH like Obamacare.

I lived in England and visited an NHS facility once. It was dirty and disgusting - I walked out.

Read what Gina said:

1. The government promised her a wonderful outcome - they lied.

2. The government promised to be there for her post opt - they lied.

3. We suggested she take legal action and Gina said "no, I fear retribution" from the government.

Folks, this is our future under Hillary Clinton. Trump is a lousy candidate, but he speaks the truth and will stop Gina's healthcare nightmare from happening here.

Vote to kill Obamacare - this is your last chance!

Edited August 29, 20169 yr by Cape Crooner

I truly hope this thread ends soon, it's so frustrating to read!

Let me make the point that I hinted at several pages back...

THIS ISN'T ABOUT WLS, it's about politics and what comes from BIG GOVERNMENT OVERREACH like Obamacare.

I lived in England and visited an NHS facility once. It was dirty and disgusting - I walked out.

Read what Gina said:

1. The government promised her a wonderful outcome - they lied.

2. The government promised to be there for her post opt - they lied.

3. We suggested she take legal action and Gina said "no, I fear retribution" from the government.

Folks, this is our future under Hillary Clinton. Trump is a lousy candidate, but he speaks the truth and will stop Gina's healthcare nightmare from happening here.

Vote to kill Obamacare - this is your last chance!

Cape Crooner

The NHS is not the UK government, and your experience of having been in a NHS facility once does not give you the experience of it that you would need to have a considered opinion. You have taken this thread out of context for your own political agenda and that is not cool.

Jo

...Trump is a lousy candidate, but he speaks the truth ...

I don't like EITHER candidate, but I can tell you with no inkling of doubt, if that man spoke "the truth" yesterday, he'll surely say he was simply "misunderstood" today. He can't keep his own story straight to save his life.

What a joke.

I truly hope this thread ends soon, it's so frustrating to read!

Let me make the point that I hinted at several pages back...

THIS ISN'T ABOUT WLS, it's about politics and what comes from BIG GOVERNMENT OVERREACH like Obamacare.

I lived in England and visited an NHS facility once. It was dirty and disgusting - I walked out.

Read what Gina said:

1. The government promised her a wonderful outcome - they lied.

2. The government promised to be there for her post opt - they lied.

3. We suggested she take legal action and Gina said "no, I fear retribution" from the government.

Folks, this is our future under Hillary Clinton. Trump is a lousy candidate, but he speaks the truth and will stop Gina's healthcare nightmare from happening here.

Vote to kill Obamacare - this is your last chance!

Omg I have heard it all now.

Headline-

" How Hilary and Trump Will Screw Up your Bariatric Surgery- Full Story on the Evening News"

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Oh please did you seriously just turn this thread into a support trump opportunity? Get a clue and stop using a Bariatric forum for your political agenda, it's so out of context not to mention it's not even close to being the right place for that post. You just made a nonsense thread into a political bs thread not even worthy of this forum anymore, Alex Brecher please shut this thread down.

I agree it's time to shut down this thread if we've now gotten into Hillary v. Trump. We get quite enough of that elsewhere. And the person who started this thread is not even in the U.S.

@@Alex Brecher

Can this thread be moved to Gastric Sleeve Surgery Complications Support Group ?

I think it belongs there.Thank you.

I truly hope this thread ends soon, it's so frustrating to read!

Let me make the point that I hinted at several pages back...

THIS ISN'T ABOUT WLS, it's about politics and what comes from BIG GOVERNMENT OVERREACH like Obamacare.

I lived in England and visited an NHS facility once. It was dirty and disgusting - I walked out.

Read what Gina said:

1. The government promised her a wonderful outcome - they lied.

2. The government promised to be there for her post opt - they lied.

3. We suggested she take legal action and Gina said "no, I fear retribution" from the government.

Folks, this is our future under Hillary Clinton. Trump is a lousy candidate, but he speaks the truth and will stop Gina's healthcare nightmare from happening here.

Vote to kill Obamacare - this is your last chance!

Omg just when I thought this thread couldn't get any worse!!!

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Yeah, you're all right. Let's just go back to blaming the sleeve for chronic diarrhea and C-Diff (whatever that is)...

Trump is going to help me with my surgery?

This has now become my favorite thread.

I'm self pay, thanks Obama.

Yeah, you're all right. Let's just go back to blaming the sleeve for chronic diarrhea and C-Diff (whatever that is)...

Great! Thanks! NOW we are all in for a huge lesson on clostridium difficile colitis! Bet we get pics as well... Damn. I couldn't stop my mouth there. (Bows head and slowly backs out of the room...)

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@@Cape Crooner Shark, jumped.