You all know how I would vote. So lets see how many like me are out there.

You dont find that offensive?

I wonder what Sarah Palin's response would be......

I wonder what Sarah Palin's response would be......

I doubt we'll hear anything from her about this because she has "selective outrage" about statements like this. It didn't come from a democrat or liberal so they get a pass.

You dont find that offensive?

Yes, I find it offensive. But I believe that he just doesn't understand God's ways. So many people say stupid things.

Sarah Palin never had an abortion as far as I know, and her child had a disability. This proves him wrong.

I am really sorry about this, I really am. I WANT it to be pro-choice for me, and I used to be that way, but ...I just have learnt too much about a fetus's devolopment before that cut off 24 weeks. They are aware and functioning, even if their lungs aren't ready, long before that.

I can only accept it in extreme cases or if it is very early in the pregnancy, 8 weeks or earlier. :tongue_smilie: After what I know now about the early devolopment of a baby... anything else would be heartbreaking. I mean... we here worry about the pain of surgery, how much would it hurt a fetus 15+ weeks to be cut apart so that the mother gives birth to it easier? arrgh.

I also can't agree with the idea of aborting a baby just because it has a disability. (I suppose the fact that I'm in Australia, with public healthcare, makes it easier for me to feel that way... Aussie families who have a disabled child get free healthcare for whatever that child needs, physical or psychological. I imagine that in America it would be a much harder burden without that help.)

Some of the most beautiful caring people I've known have had a disability. I grew up with a kid who had spineabifita and now, as we both reach our mid twenties, he's coming to the end of his life. But if you asked his mum if she wished she hadn't had him, hadn't had to be his constant career when her husband left her, change nappies, save and scrape for his wheelchair, have more time for her other kid, she'd say no way.

I guess it always depends on the circumstances, though. There are times when the health and safety of the mother, mental or physical, will be most definatly threatened and as a training Naturopath myself I'd never question or object to an abortion under those circumstances with my patients.

Yes, I find it offensive. But I believe that he just doesn't understand God's ways. So many people say stupid things.

Sarah Palin never had an abortion as far as I know, and her child had a disability. This proves him wrong.

Urgh, don't bring that woman into this debate. Or forum. Or internet.

She gives me the willies.

When people say things like that it all I can think is...if your god would intentionally give a baby a disability based on the actions of the mother, I don't want to "accept him in my heart" he isn't worthy..........

There's an online petition anyone can sign to get this man to resign.

Bob Marshall - Resign Now - Signatures

I signed, not that I think it will do any good. Anyone with the ability to say these things is too big a narcissist to resign. Then again, maybe he should stay in office. He is a very good example of the bigotry of the GOP, he is a gift (to the democrats) that keeps on giving.

I signed, not that I think it will do any good. Anyone with the ability to say these things is too big a narcissist to resign. Then again, maybe he should stay in office. He is a very good example of the bigotry of the GOP, he is a gift (to the democrats) that keeps on giving.

The other two gifts (that keep on giving) being Sarah Palin and Dick Cheney. We can only hope they pair up to run in 2012. :tongue_smilie:

Ses "I guess it always depends on the circumstances, though. There are times when the health and safety of the mother, mental or physical, will be most definatly threatened and as a training Naturopath myself I'd never question or object to an abortion under those circumstances with my patients. "

Ses, that is the crux of the problem in the U.S. Some people believe that the government should have the power to make the decision for every woman, no matter what the circumstances are. Those of us who believe that women should be able to make their own choice, based on their circumstances, are pro-choice.

It makes absolutely no sense to outlaw abortion. It should be considered a very personal, very difficult delimma for any woman who must make such a decision. It is a decision that is one of the very most important decisions that anyone could ever make - not a decision that the government should uniformly make FOR all women.

And yes, our healthcare system is not conducive to the government forcing all women in our society to complete every pregnancy regardless of their circumstances.

God doesn't "give" people disabilities. The world we live in is the world we have made it into. When a person eats food that is bad for them, and their arteries get clogged, is it God's fault that he ends up with heart disease? When a mother uses drugs or smokes cigarettes while she is pregnant, is it God's fault that the baby may come out with an addiction or with a low birth weight? No. Our heredity plays a big part in our babies outcome as well. If our extended family had children that were mentally slow, there is a chance that generations down the road a child will be born mentally slow. This is not God "intentionally" giving a disability to a baby. This is life, and the consequences for sin entering the world when Adam and Eve sinned in the garden. "The soul that sinneth, it shall die," God said. Death was not supposed to be for mankind when God created us. But because sin entered the world, God had to allow death. Disease is a part of all that. So, while God "allows" things in life to happen, he does not intentionally cause them to happen to people.

I didn't do drugs, drink, smoke, and no one in my family has a special needs or disabled child and all thier babies were term and of good size...so why do I have a special needs, disabled baby and another preemie?

I didn't do drugs, drink, smoke, and no one in my family has a special needs or disabled child and all thier babies were term and of good size...so why do I have a special needs, disabled baby and another preemie?

I might be mistaken, but it seems to me that there's an increase of chemicals in my food and it makes me suspicous, that perhaps the chemicals added to our foods also increases the risk of complications? But how do we fix that problem?

Or sometimes it's just how it is, there's no pattern or reason.

It is normal to want to blame someone or something when we have really bad experiences or we see someone we love suffer.

But there are not always answers and that is difficult. My DD has lost 2 babies, one died in utero at full term and one at 3 months. For all the testing and research and praying for an answer, there is none. When you think about mother nature and science and the universe, you just have to realize that life isn't perfect. And we just have to make the best of it.

We play the hand that is dealt to us.

I hope rodriguez, that you and your baby girl are doing well.

So what. Al Gore said this: "In 50 years there will be no North Pole in the summertime."

Talk about stupid!

Do you need to believe everything someone says? If you want to know if it's true, read God's word for yourself.

Or, ask yourself: Do I know anyone who had an abortion and then had a second child? Was the child disabled? If it wasn't, then he's wrong about what he said about God punishing women who had an abortion.

Although, I do believe that God allows natural consequences for our wrong doings to occur so that we could learn and benefit from them.

Yep Patty I would sure rather believe Al Gore than some scornful mean spirited idiot who is such a woman hater that he would blame such a mean vicious thing on God who he has "created" in his image. Thats not my God! I think you would do well to apply your energy to saving Gods whole creation which is what Al Gore is doing.

Corliss

That's the irony of the right wing extremist message to the world. They want us to believe that they are righteous people because they believe they know the exact intentions of God and the Bible, but they are openly scornful of people whom they do not agree with.

These holier than thou self-important fundamentalists often miss the message of Jesus which was love, tolerance, forgiveness, generosity of spirit and the acceptance of all mankind.

Many of them are angry, bigoted, mean-spirited and willing to do harm to others. It is such a strange dichotomy, oddly real and unreal thinking. And some of them have a death grip on the Republican party.