You all know how I would vote. So lets see how many like me are out there.

I have heard of storys where doctors and nurses have actually 'heard' babies scream during an abortion.

Yeah...and lobsters "scream" when you throw them in boiling water, but I bet you enjoy eatin it! The woman screams as she's being raped...as she's dying from giving birth...as she cries to her therapists because her daddy got her pregnant...as the 13 year old cries because he said he loved her...and then he left...Those are later term abortions...most of the abortions are done during the 1st trimester...a lot right after finding out (6-8 weeks).

None of these sites are pro or anti...they are just doctors and scientists...

. . . and they don't reach a consensus. All have different opinions. Which is why I say, WE DO NOT KNOW!!! It could be at 8 or 9 weeks as the one article I posted believes, it could be at 20 weeks as one of your articles believes, or it could be at some other time. One of the articles you posted even said it's sometime after birth (do you really believe that could be the case)?

Do we really want to say it's ok to kill people because we think they're not going to feel it?

No he said the body feels it around 26 weeks, but the mind doesn't feel it until after birth. You know how bad that thought must make women who have had misscarriages feel...So is the baby in pain when your "God" is aborting it?

A fetus is not yet a person! It is a fetus!

Fetus is the name for a stage of a person's life, just like adolescent and teenager are names for stages. They identify a period of life. It is not a different species. Fetuses do not become human beings any more than toddlers become human beings. They both are human beings.

Did you read the whole thing because this is what it said in the conclusion: "...recent studies have shown that the fetus most certainly does feel pain by the end the second trimester, when late-term and partial birth abortions are performed."

One of the links you posted says:

Dr. Derbyshire argues that the mind only starts to develop after the baby is born, as a consequence of the infants' interaction with the outside world and people around him/her.

Even though the biological development to support pain experience may be ongoing inside the womb, it is only the environment after birth, so needed for pain experience to develop, that needs to happen. Therefore, a fetus, who is still in the womb, cannot experience pain.

Derbyshire said that his study is not looking at whether abortion is right or wrong. He says he is arguing against the use of painkillers during an abortion.

I have heard of storys where doctors and nurses have actually 'heard' babies scream during an abortion.

As have I. After a certain stage of development, the only thing keeping a baby from vocalizing is the fact that he or she is surrounded by amniotic fluid. There have been accounts of air bubbles entering the womb during an abortion, positioning over the baby's mouth, and the baby screaming as the abortion is being performed.

but in it he said that the fetus may physically recognize pain, but that their mind doesn't process it as pain...I'm not saying I believe in everything he said...or that I believe in all the articles...but that most of the articles that are posted by people that are neither pro or anti they say the pain doesn't start until around the 20th month!

If that is the case then you would still hear their muffled screams...just like if you were to scream under water...

Yeah...and lobsters "scream" when you throw them in boiling water

Lobsters are not human beings.

The woman screams as she's being raped...as she's dying from giving birth...as she cries to her therapists because her daddy got her pregnant...as the 13 year old cries because he said he loved her...and then he left...Those are later term abortions...most of the abortions are done during the 1st trimester...a lot right after finding out (6-8 weeks).

Unfortunately, life has the potential to be full of some horrible things. There is evil in the world -- no doubt. There is suffering beyond that which most people can imagine.

Killing people does not solve anything.

tell that to a 13 year old that goes to school pregnant and gets called a whore and made fun of...tell that to the child that's daddy and grandpa are the same person...

No he said the body feels it around 26 weeks, but the mind doesn't feel it until after birth. You know how bad that thought must make women who have had misscarriages feel...So is the baby in pain when your "God" is aborting it?

How can a body feel pain but a mind can't? That's ludicrous. If your mind can't process pain, you don't feel it.

Miscarriages are not generally violent dismemberments, acid burning, stabbing at the base of the neck, etc. They are generally a natural death. Is there pain involved? I don't know.

Why would a mother who's had a miscarriage feel any worse than a mother who's had an abortion? (this is a rhetorical question -- to make you think.) The fate of the baby is the same. The only difference is whether the mother "wanted" the baby or not. How horrible a distinction is that? If I want you, you are valued and you get to live. If not, you end up in the trash.

If that is the case then you would still hear their muffled screams...just like if you were to scream under water...

Very possibly, if you put an amplification system in there. The uterine wall, fat, and skin of the belly muffle a lot.

I didn't say I agreed with the person who said that...it was just an example! Not all abortions are dismemberments...you are talking about later term abortions and abortions performed in the 2nd tri as I said before most abortions occur in the 1st tri.

tell that to a 13 year old that goes to school pregnant and gets called a whore and made fun of...tell that to the child that's daddy and grandpa are the same person...

All of these situations are very sad -- I am absolutely not denying that. But we shouldn't kill people so other people don't get teased.

a 13 year olds body and mind is not ready for being pregnant or having a baby! It's not just about being teased!