Someone recently passed this article on to me, which I posted on another board. It was promptly removed. So sad . . .

Frightening News from France

Once again, the real news in France is conveniently

not being reported as it should. To give you an idea

of what's going on in France where there are now

between 5 and 6 million Muslims and about 600,000 Jews,

here is an email that came from a Jew living in

France. Please read! Will the world say nothing - again - as it did in Hitler's time?

"I AM A JEW -- therefore I am forwarding this to

everyone on all my e-mail lists. I will not sit back

and do nothing." Nowhere have the flames of

anti-Semitism burned more furiously than in France:

Lyon, a car was rammed into a synagogue and set

on fire. In Montpellier, the Jewish religious center

was firebombed; so were synagogues in Strasbourg and

Marseilles; so was a Jewish school in Creteil - all recently.

A Jewish sports club in Toulouse was attacked with

Molotov cocktails, and on the statue of Alfred

Dreyfus in Paris, the words "Dirty Jew" were

painted. In Bondy, 15 men beat up members of a

Jewish football team with sticks and metal bars. The

bus that takes Jewish children to school in

Aubervilliers has been attacked three times in the last 14 months.

According to the Police, metropolitan Paris has seen

10 to 12 anti-Jewish incidents PER DAY in the past

30 days. Walls in Jewish neighborhoods have been

defaced with slogans proclaiming "Jews to the gas

chambers" and "Death to the Jews."

A gunman opened fire on a Kosher butcher's shop

(and, of course, the butcher) in Toulouse , France;

a Jewish couple in their 20s were beaten up by five

men in Villeurbanne , France . The woman was

pregnant; a Jewish school was broken into and

vandalized in Sarcelles , France . This was just in

the past week.

So I call on you, whether you are a fellow Jew, a

friend, or merely a person with the capacity and

desire to distinguish decency from depravity, to do,

at least, these three simple things:

First, care enough to stay informed. Don't ever let

yourself become deluded into thinking that this is

no t your fight. I remind you of what Pastor

Neimoller said in World War II: "First they came for

the Communists, and I didn't speak up, because I

wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and

I didn't speak up, because I wasn't a Jew. Then they

came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up,

because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me,

and by that time there was no one left to speak up

for me".

Second, boycott France and French products. Only the

Arab countries are more toxically anti-Semitic and,

unlike them, France exports more than just oil and

hatred. So boycott their wines and their perfumes.

Boycott their clothes and their foodstuffs. Boycott

their movies. Definitely boycott their shores. If

we are resolved we can exert amazing pressure and,

whatever else we may know about the French, we most

certainly know that they are like a cobweb in a

hurricane in the face of well directed pressure.

Third, send this along to your family, your friends,

and your co-workers. Think of all of the people of

good conscience that you know and let them know

that you and the people that you care about need

their help. The number one best selling book in

France is "September 11: The Frightening Fraud,"

which argues that no plane ever hit the Pentagon."

Not surprising! There are may in the pulpit that claim knowledge of the scriptures, but are spiritually blind. There is a big difference between having a head knowledge and having spiritual understanding.

Ahh, so it comes back to "feelings".

Tami

You keep stating that I have all the wrong facts about why people believe as the do when they are an athiest. So then put me streight and tell me what the real facts are.

More then one person has told you. You've dismissed them with "I've never seen an Athiest like that". I think you have it backwards, you've decided what an Athiest is, and then cram everyone into that box.

I’m sorry, but you remind me of too many Christians I know. Who stir things up, then act innocent and persecuted when they get a reaction. Confusing reaction to them and how they present things with what is in fact being presented.

It’s not your Christianity, IMHO, that is under discussion here. It’s your coming onto a site that is mainly a site about Lap-Banding that does have threads on other topic. And your first thread has nothing to do with Lap-Banding. You then question someone about their nickname, and in pretty short order are saying that you don’t believe she really knows what she believes or why she believes it. That is what you are getting reactions to. Not being a Christian.

It's not illogical at all! Those who are spiritually blind cannot have spiritual incite and understanding. If you know the scriptures as you claim , then you should be familiar with -

1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God:for they are foolishness unto him:neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Who is to say who is spiritually blind and who are not??? The Bible does !!

This is an illogical statement. Who is to say who are spiritually blind and who are not?

Of course they are attacks! Don't be silly! And as a moderator, you should be above that. You advertise that you are an athiest, but get spastic when someone else dare's to talk about their religious views. That moniker if there to incite debate or it would not be there. Can you at least own up to that??

I'm silly. Ok. That title is not there to incite debate. It has been there for, as I said earlier, maybe 2 years -- and has not yet incited a debate. Not until you, anyway. If my goal was debate, and my title was the my means, I would have changed it to something else long ago, as unsuccessful as it has been.

got all bent out of shape.

Far from bent out of shape. I'm train wreck amused. As I said, if this is "bent out of shape" to you, wowzer!

Darling,

Don't patronize me. You'd get a lot farther with your "debating", a lot quicker, if you'd show some respect.

I have been in messianic minsitry for 30 years! If you think I have had a passive life, you are not dealing in reality.

Oh, then you KNOW that nothing that has happened here has been a "viscous attack". My bad.

You keep stating that I have all the wrong facts about why people believe as the do when they are an athiest. So then put me streight and tell me what the real facts are.

But you've already said you're "right". And it's not my obligation to "put you straight", nor could it happen, per your own admission. You can't put "right" straight.

Me smell troll. More and more.

Aw shucks, tweren't nothing, and it came from my heart.:rose:

Aww, you guys are making me wanna blush.

And lisa, FWIW, I agree with Green. And agree with all she named. You are a wonderful breath of fresh air.

Aww, you guys are making me wanna blush. :rose:

And lisa, FWIW, I agree with Green. And agree with all she named. You are a wonderful breath of fresh air.

Thanks to you too!

See, we can get along even when I'm right and you are wrong... :heh:

Seriously, it's much more interesting when we don't all agree. We don't have to in order to understand each other.

Seriously, it's much more interesting when we don't all agree. We don't have to in order to understand each other.

I have always said - the world would indeed be a very boring place if everyone believed the same thing.

If you smell Troll, perhaps you need deodorant!!

Do you have the capacity to at least be honest?? Yesterday you told me that your moniker has been the subject on many debates and everything that could be discussed about it has beed discussed - or something to that effect. Today you say that it "has not yet incited a debate" in 2-years. So were you wrong yesterday or today??

Patronize you! Sweetheart, judging from your pic, I am old enough to be your father, and respect comes form receiving respect. You have a lot to learn.

You tell me I have all the facts wrong, but come up with all these lame reasons whay you don't want to give me the "real" facts! It appears that you just like to make comments and say nothing.

Regarding attacks! For some reason this thread seems to attract a large number of athiests, many of whom have jumped into the arena to take their shots at my posts. I have no problem with that and feel confident enough in what I believe to substanciate what I believe. Attack away!

I'm silly. Ok. That title is not there to incite debate. It has been there for, as I said earlier, maybe 2 years -- and has not yet incited a debate. If my goal was debate, and my title was the my means, I would have changed it to something else long ago, as unsuccessful as it has been.

Far from bent out of shape. I'm train wreck amused. As I said, if this is "bent out of shape" to you, wowzer!

Don't patronize me. You'd get a lot farther with your "debating", a lot quicker, if you'd show some respect.

Oh, then you KNOW that nothing that has happened here has been a "viscous attack". My bad.

But you've already said you're "right". And it's not my obligation to "put you straight", nor could it happen, per your own admission. You can't put "right" straight.

Me smell troll. More and more.

It's quite simple! For instance, Bible History is a popular course taught in many secular colleges. One can come away from that course with a historical knowledge and still know little about the spiritual and prophetic nature of the scriptures.

Ron, I have a question for you, and it’s not meant as an attack. You’ve said that you believe as you do because the Bible is provable. I think you used the term “proven Faith”. Ok, I can see how the historical facts in the Bible can be provable. But how can the Spiritual things be proven?

I’m sorry, but you remind me of too many Christians I know. Who stir things up, then act innocent and persecuted when they get a reaction. Confusing reaction to them and how they present things with what is in fact being presented.

It’s not your Christianity, IMHO, that is under discussion here. It’s your coming onto a site that is mainly a site about Lap-Banding that does have threads on other topic. And your first thread has nothing to do with Lap-Banding. You then question someone about their nickname, and in pretty short order are saying that you don’t believe she really knows what she believes or why she believes it. That is what you are getting reactions to. Not being a Christian.

I am bowing to your wisdom! You have no idea how relieving it is to hear (see?) someone say that. A lot of people see Atheists protesting someone's remarks and are all, "Look, the Atheists are attacking the Christians! You're anti-Christian!" They don't seem to realize that most Atheists don't go around verbally attacking Christians willy-nilly for thrills. There is usually a valid reason we are protesting something.

Sweetheart, judging from your pic, I am old enough to be your father, and respect comes form receiving respect. You have a lot to learn.

It seems like YOU are the one with some things to learn, actually, if you believe someone would treat you with respect when you all but called her an uneducated heathen.

I have no problem with that and feel confident enough in what I believe to substanciate what I believe.

But you haven't! All you have done is criticize other's beliefs and say that, "Well, I've done my research!"

I am bowing to your wisdom! You have no idea how relieving it is to hear (see?) someone say that. A lot of people see Atheists protesting someone's remarks and are all, "Look, the Atheists are attacking the Christians! You're anti-Christian!" They don't seem to realize that most Atheists don't go around verbally attacking Christians willy-nilly for thrills. There is usually a valid reason we are protesting something.

Thank you.

I've seen it before. Where someone claims it's their faith being attacked when it's not. It's their actions. Often they want special treatment, and when it's not provided claim it's because of that faith.

If you smell Troll, perhaps you need deodorant!! I've not been a troll yet, I doubt anything has changed in the last day. There's only one new variable here. But you're "right". I must be the troll, jsut because you say so. Do you have the capacity to at least be honest?? Yes Yesterday you told me that your moniker has been the subject on many debates and everything that could be discussed about it has beed discussed - or something to that effect. No, that's not at all what I said. But since you're "right", let me quote:

I have no problems discussing it. It's been pretty much discussed into the ground during the last two years here, I'm not sure I can say anything I haven't already said.

The context of that statement being how I "came to be" an atheist. Perhaps to you discussion = debate. Perhaps to you "atheism" = my title. The religion topic usually comes on at the tail end of something else. If you'd done anything here other than troll around, you'd know that. A single search would tell you that. Atheism, in my time here, has never been a topic in and of itself. If my title had incited debates, that would certainly not be the case. And the discussions have never been a result of my title. Today you say that it "has not yet incited a debate" in 2-years. So were you wrong yesterday or today?? See above. But in order for you to be "right" I guess I have to be "wrong", so take your pick. Makes no difference to me.

Patronize you! Sweetheart, judging from your pic, I am old enough to be your father, and respect comes form receiving respect. You have a lot to learn. You're older than me. That does not make it aprpopriate for you to refer to me as "Darling".

You tell me I have all the facts wrong, but come up with all these lame reasons whay you don't want to give me the "real" facts! It appears that you just like to make comments and say nothing. As do you. You're "right" and you can't set "right" straight. And I never claimed to have "facts". I've claimed to have opinions and perspectives. I'll be one of the first to emphatically state that my beliefs are not fact. Regarding attacks! For some reason this thread seems to attract a large number of athiests, many of whom have jumped into the arena to take their shots at my posts. A large number... like 3. hey did not do this out of the blue. Again, you know that as well as I do. You did not innocently come here and innocently question. Your first post makes it clear you're here with an agenda. Why am I not surprised that you're now pleading innocence. You can't expect to attack (and by attack I mean insinuate it's an uneducated decision, as in "Atheist? Have you done your homework?" -- for starters) a belief and not have it defended by the people who hold it. Would you question or ridicule any other minority and be surprised if others of that minority chose to get involved? I have no problem with that and feel confident enough in what I believe to substanciate what I believe. Attack away!

Comments included in quotes for the sake of cohesion.

Several ways, all of which would take considerable time and space! For one, the very nature of the Bible itself. A total of 66 seperate books or writings written by 40 authors, most of whom never knew each other, over a period of 6ooo years. All of these seperate writings put together make a single volume, like a puzzle where all the parts fit neatly together telling a single story

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Mathamaticians have concluded that the odds of this happening by pure chance at a number that is beyond our comprehension. The odds that it could have been a conspiricy involving all 40 authors over 6000 years is also beyond the realm of reason. This is a great argument for devine intervention

Consider Bible prophecy! There are literally hundreds of specific prophecys regarding the Messiah, all of whom Jesus fulfilled. Mathamaticians have concluded that the odds of one man fulfilling just 7 of these prophecys at any given point in time and history to be, are you ready for this . . .

1038 (1 in a 100 billion, billion, billion, billion)

This is just enough to scratch the surface in answer to your question. The odds of the Bible being what it is and Bible prophecy being fulfilled as it has, puts the odds of it being by chance or coinsidince far beyond the realm of possibility. The only explanation is exactly what the Bible claims it is - devine inspirition from a Holy God.

None of this has anything to do with blind faith!

Ron, I have a question for you, and it’s not meant as an attack. You’ve said that you believe as you do because the Bible is provable. I think you used the term “proven Faith”. Ok, I can see how the historical facts in the Bible can be provable. But how can the Spiritual things be proven?