Someone recently passed this article on to me, which I posted on another board. It was promptly removed. So sad . . .

Frightening News from France

Once again, the real news in France is conveniently

not being reported as it should. To give you an idea

of what's going on in France where there are now

between 5 and 6 million Muslims and about 600,000 Jews,

here is an email that came from a Jew living in

France. Please read! Will the world say nothing - again - as it did in Hitler's time?

"I AM A JEW -- therefore I am forwarding this to

everyone on all my e-mail lists. I will not sit back

and do nothing." Nowhere have the flames of

anti-Semitism burned more furiously than in France:

Lyon, a car was rammed into a synagogue and set

on fire. In Montpellier, the Jewish religious center

was firebombed; so were synagogues in Strasbourg and

Marseilles; so was a Jewish school in Creteil - all recently.

A Jewish sports club in Toulouse was attacked with

Molotov cocktails, and on the statue of Alfred

Dreyfus in Paris, the words "Dirty Jew" were

painted. In Bondy, 15 men beat up members of a

Jewish football team with sticks and metal bars. The

bus that takes Jewish children to school in

Aubervilliers has been attacked three times in the last 14 months.

According to the Police, metropolitan Paris has seen

10 to 12 anti-Jewish incidents PER DAY in the past

30 days. Walls in Jewish neighborhoods have been

defaced with slogans proclaiming "Jews to the gas

chambers" and "Death to the Jews."

A gunman opened fire on a Kosher butcher's shop

(and, of course, the butcher) in Toulouse , France;

a Jewish couple in their 20s were beaten up by five

men in Villeurbanne , France . The woman was

pregnant; a Jewish school was broken into and

vandalized in Sarcelles , France . This was just in

the past week.

So I call on you, whether you are a fellow Jew, a

friend, or merely a person with the capacity and

desire to distinguish decency from depravity, to do,

at least, these three simple things:

First, care enough to stay informed. Don't ever let

yourself become deluded into thinking that this is

no t your fight. I remind you of what Pastor

Neimoller said in World War II: "First they came for

the Communists, and I didn't speak up, because I

wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and

I didn't speak up, because I wasn't a Jew. Then they

came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up,

because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me,

and by that time there was no one left to speak up

for me".

Second, boycott France and French products. Only the

Arab countries are more toxically anti-Semitic and,

unlike them, France exports more than just oil and

hatred. So boycott their wines and their perfumes.

Boycott their clothes and their foodstuffs. Boycott

their movies. Definitely boycott their shores. If

we are resolved we can exert amazing pressure and,

whatever else we may know about the French, we most

certainly know that they are like a cobweb in a

hurricane in the face of well directed pressure.

Third, send this along to your family, your friends,

and your co-workers. Think of all of the people of

good conscience that you know and let them know

that you and the people that you care about need

their help. The number one best selling book in

France is "September 11: The Frightening Fraud,"

which argues that no plane ever hit the Pentagon."

I guess why I asked about you being an athiest is that most athiests that I have met and spoken with have never explored or investigated the claims of Christianity in depth. Most have a very superficial understand of it. Athiests rule out the possibility of there being a God, while agnostics are open to accept God if He can be proven to them. I was wondering where you fall in that understanding.

I was wondering where you fall in that understanding.

Yes, I'm well aware of the difference between agnosticism and atheism. Which is why it says "token atheist" and not "token agnostic".

Fair enough! I was just curious how you arrived at that understanding, if you are comfortable discussing it. If you would rather not, I certainly understand.

I have no problems discussing it. It's been pretty much discussed into the ground during the last two years here, I'm not sure I can say anything I haven't already said.

I wonder... in ratio with the opposite, how many atheists ask Christians why they believe in god.

Good question! Some may tell you "blind faith", and I would tell them that they are fools. To believe something without proof is just plain stupid. As a Christian with "proven faith", I believe that the key to believing there a God, as the Bible describes him, is proving that the Bible really is true, and is God's means of speaking to His creation. Over 30 years of exploring, reading and questions have caused me to conclude, without a doubt, that this is the proven case.

Once we have had that proven to us beyond a shadow of a doubt, what the Bible contains falls right into place and is very believable. I have done my homework!! Have you??

Good question! Some may tell you "blind faith", and I would tell them that they are fools. To believe something without proof is just plain stupid. As a Christian with "proven faith", I believe that the key to believing there a God, as the Bible describes him, is proving that the Bible really is true, and is God's means of speaking to His creation. Over 30 years of exploring, reading and questions have caused me to conclude, without a doubt, that this is the proven case.

Once we have had that proven to us beyond a shadow of a doubt, what the Bible contains falls right into place and is very believable. I have done my homework!! Have you??

Interesting. I've always said my faith is something I can't prove. If I could prove God exists, then it's not faith. It's something I can't explain but just "know". Which isn't a explaination that convinces anyone but me. And I'm OK with that.

Good question! [...] I have done my homework!! Have you??

Umm...wow. Am I sensing a little hostility, or not? Perhaps just gusto?

What question did I ask, that was a good question? And more specifically, what question did I ask that would warrant that response? Please feel free to quote it, because I can't find it anywhere.

Yes, I have done my homework.

I can understand that, but I believe that the truth of the scriptures can be proven, way beyond a reasonable doubt, which therefore proves devine intervention in their origin.

When Jesus came, He proved who he was and established His messianiac credentials by performing miracles, in accordance with Bible prophecy. He never expected anyone to believe based just on His word. Likewise, I believe that God the Father offers proof of who He is through the scriptures, and does not intend for us to believe based upon "feelings"!

This is the question that you asked . . .

"I wonder... in ratio with the opposite, how many atheists ask Christians why they believe in god." It was a great question!!

Hostility?? Oh no! Not at all! I jus have a desire for everyone to know and experience God as I do, and wonder why some close themselves off to the possibility of His existance. My comments and questions are not based on hostility or lack of acceptance, but rather from caring and concern. I am so sorry if I gave you the wrong impression.

Oh, that wasn't actually a question. It was a statement. And I certainly wasn't asking you why you believe in god. That's your business.

It was just an observation. That it seems like there's a higher ratio of christians asking atheists why they don't believe in god, than atheists asking christians why they don't. Kind of gives the impression that one side is more forceful about their beliefs, while the other is more content with "to each their own".

I jus have a desire for everyone to know and experience God as I do

How about having a desire for people to be free to experience what they want to experience? Why does it matter to you that everyone share your experience?

Two more good questions! The answer to both of them is the same! Based upon my understanding of the scriptures, the only way to have ternal life is through a personal relationship with His son, Jesus. Those who don't have this relationship are eternally lost. It is because Bible believing Christians have this understanding, that they ask unbelievers about their lack of faith, and wish to share their beliefs with others. Our faith demands it. Of course, the ultimate decision on weather you come to faith or not is up to you, but it is incumbenent upon us to share the truth.

Two more good questions, and both have the same answer! Based upon the scriptures, Christians believe that those that do not have a personal relationship with Jesus, and accept His atoning work on the tree, are eternally lost. Therefore, our faith demands that we share what we understand to be the truth, with others. That is why we ask questions about faith and want to share our faith with those who do not believe. Ultimately, what you believe, and your eternal destination are entirely up to you. You are free to believe and experience anything that you want. We're just doing our job as Believers!!

Token "agnostic" here. Ron, this is exactly the kind of Christianity that pushes many of us away from it. I am drawn towards Christians who *live* their faith, and accept others for who they are. I only want to push away those who push their beliefs on others.

Tami

Hi Tami,

I don't push my beliefs on anyone. I just share what they are and allow others to do what they choose with it. If someone claims to be a Christian and does not share their faith, they are not much of a Christian.

I have many friends who are not Christians, and while I disagree with the spiritual choice, I accept them, respect them and interact with them. They know who I am, what I believe, and accept me in return. Do you see that as a problem?

Ron

Ron, this is exactly the kind of Christianity that pushes many of us away from it. I am drawn towards Christians who *live* their faith, and accept others for who they are. I only want to push away those who push their beliefs on others.

I feel the same way. No offense, Ron, but while you may just be eager to "help" people experience God's love, you come across as being aggressive and bullying about it. I like to say that people attract more flies with honey than with vinegar, and you are without a doubt vinegar, if you get my drift. If people want to "get to know" God, they will ask others about it. The fact that people are tolerant enough to sit or stand next to you while you repeatedly extoll the virtues of being a Christian does not necessarily mean they are interested in what you have to say. Whenever someone does that to me, I just kind of go into my head and start planning my next grocery trip. The good ol' "smile 'n nod," as I like to call it.