Someone recently passed this article on to me, which I posted on another board. It was promptly removed. So sad . . .

Frightening News from France

Once again, the real news in France is conveniently

not being reported as it should. To give you an idea

of what's going on in France where there are now

between 5 and 6 million Muslims and about 600,000 Jews,

here is an email that came from a Jew living in

France. Please read! Will the world say nothing - again - as it did in Hitler's time?

"I AM A JEW -- therefore I am forwarding this to

everyone on all my e-mail lists. I will not sit back

and do nothing." Nowhere have the flames of

anti-Semitism burned more furiously than in France:

Lyon, a car was rammed into a synagogue and set

on fire. In Montpellier, the Jewish religious center

was firebombed; so were synagogues in Strasbourg and

Marseilles; so was a Jewish school in Creteil - all recently.

A Jewish sports club in Toulouse was attacked with

Molotov cocktails, and on the statue of Alfred

Dreyfus in Paris, the words "Dirty Jew" were

painted. In Bondy, 15 men beat up members of a

Jewish football team with sticks and metal bars. The

bus that takes Jewish children to school in

Aubervilliers has been attacked three times in the last 14 months.

According to the Police, metropolitan Paris has seen

10 to 12 anti-Jewish incidents PER DAY in the past

30 days. Walls in Jewish neighborhoods have been

defaced with slogans proclaiming "Jews to the gas

chambers" and "Death to the Jews."

A gunman opened fire on a Kosher butcher's shop

(and, of course, the butcher) in Toulouse , France;

a Jewish couple in their 20s were beaten up by five

men in Villeurbanne , France . The woman was

pregnant; a Jewish school was broken into and

vandalized in Sarcelles , France . This was just in

the past week.

So I call on you, whether you are a fellow Jew, a

friend, or merely a person with the capacity and

desire to distinguish decency from depravity, to do,

at least, these three simple things:

First, care enough to stay informed. Don't ever let

yourself become deluded into thinking that this is

no t your fight. I remind you of what Pastor

Neimoller said in World War II: "First they came for

the Communists, and I didn't speak up, because I

wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and

I didn't speak up, because I wasn't a Jew. Then they

came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up,

because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me,

and by that time there was no one left to speak up

for me".

Second, boycott France and French products. Only the

Arab countries are more toxically anti-Semitic and,

unlike them, France exports more than just oil and

hatred. So boycott their wines and their perfumes.

Boycott their clothes and their foodstuffs. Boycott

their movies. Definitely boycott their shores. If

we are resolved we can exert amazing pressure and,

whatever else we may know about the French, we most

certainly know that they are like a cobweb in a

hurricane in the face of well directed pressure.

Third, send this along to your family, your friends,

and your co-workers. Think of all of the people of

good conscience that you know and let them know

that you and the people that you care about need

their help. The number one best selling book in

France is "September 11: The Frightening Fraud,"

which argues that no plane ever hit the Pentagon."

I don't think the Shiites, Sunnis and Kurds had much choice in the matter under Saddam because if any of them stepped out of like they would be shot. If I remember correctly, none of the other countries in the area were receptive to interceding in the Iraq sitution because they didn't want to get involved. But, in the same breath, when Iraq invaded Kuwait, they welcopmed our intervention with open arms.

Again, I'm not saying that we did everything right in Iraq, but there is a much bigger picture here to consider.

Hussein kept peace the same way that Marshal Tito kept peace, with terror.

Kuwait and Saudi Arabia welcomed our intervention in Kuwait, but George HW BuSh knew better that to take out Hussein ans he wrote a book about it called "A World Transformed" in which he described why he didn't take out Hussein in 1991.

Hussein was bad to his people, but he kept Iran in check. Notice how we are getting ready to attack Iran. Hussein was the buffer and now that he is gone, the USA or Israel will have to fight Iran, making for even more bad blood between the Christian/Judea forces and the forces of Islam.

Yes, there is a bigger picture here, and it is fight the enemy who attacked you, but don't look to bite into more trouble than you can chew.

Maybe I am twisting things, but it seems to me that since God created Adam to be perfect and Eve was created without sin, then God must be a terrible parent.:faint:

Satan was also created by God and had nowhere to learn bad habits from, but from observing God. No one can even use the excuse that Satan tempted him, because "he is him".

The God of the "Old Testament" was mean, vengeful, Jealous and self-centered, and He was not ashamed of these traits. Is it any wonder his children took after Him?

If Adam and Eve would have had a lapband they probably wouldn't have eaten that apple!

Sue, we have been having a decent conversation and disagreeing without the insulting. Talking about fundamentalists and saying, "and you know how they are" is going back where we don't need to go!

As far as your post, I don't have all the answers. No one apparently does. What I said were the goals that I thought would be acceptable to indicate sucess. I don't have all the answers of how to achieve them. What I am certain about is, walking away and allowing ourselves to be defeated by the Islamic Militants is only going to guarantee more horrible attacks in out homeland.

The fundamentalist government that you describe is exactly what will take place if we walk away. The GOAL is a democratic govermnent that will offer individual rights to the people. Again, I don't have all the answers, but that I believe should hbe out goal.

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You are aware that the "internal factions" are REALLY the artificially united peoples of three different areas, aren't you? And that they have been fighting each other for about 1600 years...

Did you have a timeline in mind that would undo 1600 years of mutual murdering and marauding? (I'm pretty sure Dubya didn't...he thought the mission had been accomplished when he was playing sky cowboy.) Now, no matter how hard you try, 1600 years of hating your neighbor does impact how you live your life.

What you WILL have there is probably fundamentalist (and you know how they are) Muslim as a backlash to Saddam's lack of religious interest. The call to prayer will ring out five times per day. Women may or may not be allowed to drive cars. People who convert to other religions may be executed. It will be okay to kill rape victims, since--by being raped--they have disgraced the family. There's your democratic Iraq of the very near future.

This political discussion is much more interesting and informative than the religious one on previous pages.

I feel very fortunate to be able to read the words of GeezerSue, TruBluSue, and others who have unique experiences and perspectives to share.

I would like to thank you too, for your service to this country. You are very impressive women.

When I was a child, I was brought up by Roman Catholic parents (in name at least) and by fervent Pentecostal grandparents. My Catholic priest and the US Council of Bishops railed against war. My grandparent's Pentecostal ministers were against war and preached against it.

But, during Ronald Reagan's term, I noticed that the Protestant clergy starting behaving in a very war-like manner. When Ronald Reagan was having a difficult time pushing his MX Missile program through congress, he asked Jerry Falwell to tell his associated ministers to preach the need for the MX from the pulpit during the Sunday sermons. They did at 1000's of churches. The Roman Catholic Council of Bishops condemned the MX Missile system, but enough pressure was put on congress by the Protestant lay people, that the MX was built and deployed (at great cost).

When and why did the Protestant clergy become the protagonists of warfare?

Would Jesus approve of the war-like stance of the Protestant clergy?

Yes, God created Adam and Eve perfect, and He created Lucifer, an angelic being, not a human, without sin, but He did give them free will. He did not create them to be robots. They choose to sin all by themselves.

You don't have to have an example to sin. Consider yound kids barely able to talk, yet then have no problem lieing without anyone teaching them how to. As I have said before, you are free to believe whatever you choose.

Would Adam and Eve have chosen to eat the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (it wasn't an apple) probally, but they would have done it slower and chewed it well!!

If Adam and Eve would have had a lapband they probably wouldn't have eaten that apple!

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I have attended Protestant churches for over 30+ years and I have NEVER heard a sermon on politics in any way, shape and form. The closest I have ever heard was being advised to vote, and encourage to vote for canidates that express godly and moral principals, although NEVER mentioned by name or party.

I don't know where you got your information, but it is very suspect to say the least.

When I was a child, I was brought up by Roman Catholic parents (in name at least) and by fervent Pentecostal grandparents. My Catholic priest and the US Council of Bishops railed against war. My grandparent's Pentecostal ministers were against war and preached against it.

But, during Ronald Reagan's term, I noticed that the Protestant clergy starting behaving in a very war-like manner. When Ronald Reagan was having a difficult time pushing his MX Missile program through congress, he asked Jerry Falwell to tell his associated ministers to preach the need for the MX from the pulpit during the Sunday sermons. They did at 1000's of churches. The Roman Catholic Council of Bishops condemned the MX Missile system, but enough pressure was put on congress by the Protestant lay people, that the MX was built and deployed (at great cost).

When and why did the Protestant clergy become the protagonists of warfare?

Would Jesus approve of the war-like stance of the Protestant clergy?

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Hitler was dictating the law.. there is a difference. :faint:

And Caesar wasn't?

There is a big difference between just laws and laws that are unjust and repressive. Comparing Hitler and Caesar to the President of the United States is really out there!

And Caeser wasn't?

Does it not make a difference that the people who received the death penalty were in fact IN PRISON due to crimes they had committed? Christian or not, the law of our land says you will be prosecuted and receive sentence according to your crime.

The problem is that a lot of the people on death row are innocent. I believe that it was Ohio where they found that half the people sentenced to death were actually innocent.

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I know there are always some that fall between the cracks, but I think 50% is a little over stated. I have never heard of anything like that, and I am sure it would have been on every front page. I couldn't even comprehend how it could be proven that 50% of those on death row were innocent. Whereever you got that information, it sound very, very exagerated.

The fact that occasionally an innocent person is convicted sucks, and our judicial system is not perfect. Few things are. But it is the best that we have right now, and there are crimes that, according to our laws, are worthy of the death penelty. I am sure there are innocent people in jsil for many other crimes as well. Should we not put people in jail then, because it is possible that someone who is innocent might suffer. Again, it sucks, but it is the best that be have to work with until someone comes up with a foolproof, perfect system of justice.

The problem is that a lot of the people on death row are innocent. I believe that it was Ohio where they found that half the people sentenced to death were actually innocent.

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