Someone recently passed this article on to me, which I posted on another board. It was promptly removed. So sad . . .

Frightening News from France

Once again, the real news in France is conveniently

not being reported as it should. To give you an idea

of what's going on in France where there are now

between 5 and 6 million Muslims and about 600,000 Jews,

here is an email that came from a Jew living in

France. Please read! Will the world say nothing - again - as it did in Hitler's time?

"I AM A JEW -- therefore I am forwarding this to

everyone on all my e-mail lists. I will not sit back

and do nothing." Nowhere have the flames of

anti-Semitism burned more furiously than in France:

Lyon, a car was rammed into a synagogue and set

on fire. In Montpellier, the Jewish religious center

was firebombed; so were synagogues in Strasbourg and

Marseilles; so was a Jewish school in Creteil - all recently.

A Jewish sports club in Toulouse was attacked with

Molotov cocktails, and on the statue of Alfred

Dreyfus in Paris, the words "Dirty Jew" were

painted. In Bondy, 15 men beat up members of a

Jewish football team with sticks and metal bars. The

bus that takes Jewish children to school in

Aubervilliers has been attacked three times in the last 14 months.

According to the Police, metropolitan Paris has seen

10 to 12 anti-Jewish incidents PER DAY in the past

30 days. Walls in Jewish neighborhoods have been

defaced with slogans proclaiming "Jews to the gas

chambers" and "Death to the Jews."

A gunman opened fire on a Kosher butcher's shop

(and, of course, the butcher) in Toulouse , France;

a Jewish couple in their 20s were beaten up by five

men in Villeurbanne , France . The woman was

pregnant; a Jewish school was broken into and

vandalized in Sarcelles , France . This was just in

the past week.

So I call on you, whether you are a fellow Jew, a

friend, or merely a person with the capacity and

desire to distinguish decency from depravity, to do,

at least, these three simple things:

First, care enough to stay informed. Don't ever let

yourself become deluded into thinking that this is

no t your fight. I remind you of what Pastor

Neimoller said in World War II: "First they came for

the Communists, and I didn't speak up, because I

wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and

I didn't speak up, because I wasn't a Jew. Then they

came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up,

because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me,

and by that time there was no one left to speak up

for me".

Second, boycott France and French products. Only the

Arab countries are more toxically anti-Semitic and,

unlike them, France exports more than just oil and

hatred. So boycott their wines and their perfumes.

Boycott their clothes and their foodstuffs. Boycott

their movies. Definitely boycott their shores. If

we are resolved we can exert amazing pressure and,

whatever else we may know about the French, we most

certainly know that they are like a cobweb in a

hurricane in the face of well directed pressure.

Third, send this along to your family, your friends,

and your co-workers. Think of all of the people of

good conscience that you know and let them know

that you and the people that you care about need

their help. The number one best selling book in

France is "September 11: The Frightening Fraud,"

which argues that no plane ever hit the Pentagon."

Mine says : "Likewise, Sodom, Gomorrah, and the surrounding towns, which, in the same manner as they, indulged in sexual promiscuity and practiced unnatural vice, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire."

So, when are we going to start jailing those people who have premarital sex? Where are those laws?

Unnatural vice could mean anything not in the marriage bed.

You can not pick and chose what laws you want to have.

Because you are talking about laws that would prohibit you from worshiping God as you see fit, and that never was the issue. My question was how would Jesus and the other Fathers of the Church vote on an issue that would sanction and condon an abomination?? You said you would abstain. Do you think they would do the same? Or, would they, as they always did, take a stand against sin and unrighteousness whenever they cam across it??

But I am not missing the point. You asked specifically how I thought our predecessors or Jesus would vote and I answered that question and why. How did I miss the point?

Because you are talking about laws that would prohibit you from worshiping God as you see fit, and that never was the issue. My question was how would Jesus and the other Fathers of the Church vote on an issue that would sanction and condon an abomination?? You said you would abstain. Do you think they would do the same? Or, would they, as they always did, take a stand against sin and unrighteousness whenever they cam across it??

I guess you didn't read my post. Let me copy and paste it here:

["honestly believe (and you can call me a sell-out, that I comprimise my faith, etc, etc, etc) But I beleive they would not interfer as long as it did not put restriction on following their faith. ... Again we go back to God giving us free will. The early Christians , to the best of my knowledge, did not try to get Ceasar to change the laws to make the Roman empire a Christian nation. They only wanted to be allowed to worship as they wanted."

I beleive that is a direct answer to the question you asked me. Is it not?

And also, God's first commandment is not to have anyother Gods before me.

I think we would have to start banning other religions.

If you are going to take things to the deep end I will too (ie, your posting that if we allow same sex marriages, that it would end in man-dog marriages)

Premartial sex is sinful, but it is not an act against nature is it? Sodom was known for it's homosexuality witch is an "unnatural act or vice", if you want to use that terminology"! You can say anything can mean anything, but you need to look at the context of how it is used to understand it's meaning.

For example, if I said "We celebrated the holiday on December 25th with presents around the tree". Hey, the holiday could mean Easter or Ground Hog Day because both are holidays. But in the proper context of how holiday is used in that sentence, it is describing a specific holiday that is celebrated with a tree and presents, therefore Christmas is to be understood from that context.

Mine says : "Likewise, Sodom, Gomorrah, and the surrounding towns, which, in the same manner as they, indulged in sexual promiscuity and practiced unnatural vice, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire."

So, when are we going to start jailing those people who have premarital sex? Where are those laws?

Unnatural vice could mean anything not in the marriage bed.

You can not pick and chose what laws you want to have.

I did read it wrong and I apoligize, but I strongly disagree with your answer. I believe that they would take a stand against this abomination in no uncertain terms, in much the same way Jesus did with the moneychangers in the Temple.

I guess you didn't read my post. Let me copy and paste it here:

["honestly believe (and you can call me a sell-out, that I comprimise my faith, etc, etc, etc) But I beleive they would not interfer as long as it did not put restriction on following their faith. ... Again we go back to God giving us free will. The early Christians , to the best of my knowledge, did not try to get Ceasar to change the laws to make the Roman empire a Christian nation. They only wanted to be allowed to worship as they wanted."

I beleive that is a direct answer to the question you asked me. Is it not?

It may not be a "crime against nature", but its obviously a crime against God.

I do understand the context. That they are referring to Lot's plight when the townsfolk demanded that the "strangers" he was housing, be released to them so they could be intimate with them.

The passage is still referring to promiscuity. in the same line... with the same disdain.

"indulged in sexual promiscuity and practiced unnatural vice"

Again, I say, you can not PICK AND CHOOSE laws you want to see created.

Suit yourself!

It may not be a "crime against nature", but its obviously a crime against God.

I do understand the context. That they are referring to Lot's plight when the townsfolk demanded that the "strangers" he was housing, be released to them so they could be intimate with them.

The passage is still referring to promiscuity. in the same line... with the same disdain.

"indulged in sexual promiscuity and practiced unnatural vice"

Again, I say, you can not PICK AND CHOOSE laws you want to see created.

Just for the record, the terminology in the verse that you quoted said "unnatural vice"! Homosexuality is unnatural which premartial sex is not "unnatural" or against nature. If you want to take something out of context and give it an alternative meaning, against what is obvious, knock yourself out.

Suit yourself!

Suit yourself?

Is that all you can say on that?

That you prefer to pick and choose what you wish to see in our laws?

What do you mean suit yourself?

That you can not come up with a legitimate answer to my question on why you wish to pick and choose?

You can not have it both ways.

We can not live in a society that picks and chooses it laws based on some ones interpretation on what God things is worse.

I think that God doesnt like ANY sin. Not just the ones YOU think are worse than others.

Just for the record, the terminology in the verse that you quoted said "unnatural vice"! Homosexuality is unnatural which premartial sex is not "unnatural" or against nature. If you want to take something out of context and give it an alternative meaning, against what is obvious, knock yourself out.

I take great offence that you say I am taking anything out of context.

I agree that you can infer homosexuality out of this reference.

Premarital sex is still AGAINST GOD's Law

So, I am going to take something out of context in your post,

Are you now defending premarital sex now?

Or is it that you dont want to see laws against premarital sex??

What pray tell EXACTLY am I taking out of context??

I didn't see a question there or I would have answered you. I don't care to pick or choose laws, I will just not support laws that I consider to be wrong or against my faith. You see that as a problem??

If you want to take things out of context and make your own interpretation, as I said, suit yourself. You either believe the Bible or you don't.

Suit yourself?

Is that all you can say on that?

That you prefer to pick and choose what you wish to see in our laws?

What do you mean suit yourself?

That you can not come up with a legitimate answer to my question on why you wish to pick and choose?

You can not have it both ways.

We can not live in a society that picks and chooses it laws based on some ones interpretation on what God things is worse.

I think that God doesnt like ANY sin. Not just the ones YOU think are worse than others.

The fact the the verse was speaking about Sodom and homosexuality and not about premartial sex. Of course premartial sex is a sin and against God's Law, but that is not what is being discussed in this verse. That is what you are taking out of context.

I take great offence that you say I am taking anything out of context.

I agree that you can infer homosexuality out of this reference.

Premarital sex is still AGAINST GOD's Law

So, I am going to take something out of context in your post,

Are you now defending premarital sex now?

Or is it that you dont want to see laws against premarital sex??

What pray tell EXACTLY am I taking out of context??

If you want to take things out of context and make your own interpretation, as I said, suit yourself. You either believe the Bible or you don't.

What your really saying is "Either believe in Ron's interpretation of the Bible or your not a good Christian. "

Don't be so sarcastic! That is not what I am saying at all and you know it. I am saying let the Bible interprete itself.

What your really saying is "Either believe in Ron's interpretation of the Bible or your not a good Christian. "